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Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
 

 

 

You really have to stop reading journalism spins on things, Sony said they have no evidence of the hackers getting into the CC information but they aren't ruling that out, and journalism spins it into them admitting they may so it's a probably when it's a probably not 

Hm, s o you still haven't read the whole "biggest data loss ever" thing.  Which isn't actually related to the credit cards thing.

Though yes, lets not listen to the journalists, and the security experts, and the analysts... oh and sony themselves.

You've got the mind of a conspiracy theorist.

Yes I have it's pure bull, it's making like 20 assumptions and jumping to a conclusion that has an outside chance at best at being what happenened when in reality it's just the one that will get more ratings, they go for shock value over accuracy everytime and you take it at face value, and again if they did get the info why aren't there dozens of people screaming about phising scams sent to their door, lost CC and identity theift, there is no proof that a hacker is in possention of any of those just that they had the ability to acess it there isn't even proof that they did...


Again, you are totally missing the point that it's probably the biggest information leak ever, just based on what Sony has already admitted has been stolen.

According to the experts.

No it has an outside chance to possibly be the biggest leak ever according to experts after making several assumptions most of which will probably turn out to be false 

So you weren't reading.  This conversation has gone like 6 posts more then needed.

You are reading way too much misinformation or rather believing lol, did you even realise one of your links is from a MS owned media outlet that is a joke on a normal day and the other one is straight out lying, saying Sony said stuff which they didn't which is plainly visable by the fact that they didn't use quotation marks on that part 



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Kudistos Megistos said:
rocketpig said:

Is that this security breach was a server-side flaw. "Hacking" a PS3 shouldn't give anyone access to critical PSN information any more than hacking a computer or install of Firefox would give you access to Amazon's customer database.

The tools to defend against this type of attack have been available for years. I can build a secure e-commerce store in a matter of hours and get it locked down to prevent this type of information breach using off-the-shelf software. Why can't Sony do the same on their PROPRIETARY system?

No matter whether you think Sony was in the right over the Geohotz fiasco, they royally screwed the pooch on this one.

And that is no one's fault but their own. They deserve every bit of bad press they're going to get over this.

This is all true, but try explaining that to the fanboys. One's favourite corporation can do no wrong, so scapegoats have to be found and messengers need to be shot. Clearly, everything bad that happens to Sony or everything bad that Sony does is the fault of TEH PIRATES, RRRRAAAGGGGEEE! Sony are absolved from all responsibility for their actions or lack thereof.

Over the years on VGC, I've learned not to say things that "don't contribute to the thread" or are "flaming" but....

Do everyone a favor and stfu. You've probably been waiting for some time to make that statement, and once something finally happened, you pounced. People's credit card info has possibly been stolen. Other personal information *has* been stolen. Quit with the retarded fanboy wars. It's childish, and the scope of what has happened goes beyond "well my console has better graphics"



fps_d0minat0r said:
Squilliam said:

If you can't bring yourself to say that Sony has and is acting extremely retarded on security between PS3 hacking and this there is something seriously wrong with you. I personally think it would be difficult for doctors to truely work out the cause but im sure a nice padded room and a lot of meds will sort it out.

 


hindsight makes even a monkey clever.


I guess in hindsight monkeys are cleverer than you...



Tease.

imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
 

 

 

 

Yes I have it's pure bull, it's making like 20 assumptions and jumping to a conclusion that has an outside chance at best at being what happenened when in reality it's just the one that will get more ratings, they go for shock value over accuracy everytime and you take it at face value, and again if they did get the info why aren't there dozens of people screaming about phising scams sent to their door, lost CC and identity theift, there is no proof that a hacker is in possention of any of those just that they had the ability to acess it there isn't even proof that they did...


Again, you are totally missing the point that it's probably the biggest information leak ever, just based on what Sony has already admitted has been stolen.

According to the experts.

No it has an outside chance to possibly be the biggest leak ever according to experts after making several assumptions most of which will probably turn out to be false 

So you weren't reading.  This conversation has gone like 6 posts more then needed.

You are reading way too much misinformation or rather believing lol, did you even realise one of your links is from a MS owned media outlet that is a joke on a normal day and the other one is straight out lying, saying Sony said stuff which they didn't which is plainly visable by the fact that they didn't use quotation marks on that part 

Dude.... Just stop, your sounding crazier and crazier at this point, I half expect you to claim 9/11 was a conspiracy.

"An MS owned media outlet".

I mean... your implying Microsoft is some way doctoring the story to "get at Sony"!

If they cared that much about "getting sony".   They'd just tank the Vaio by refusing to liscense Windows to it.



Kasz216 said:
Dude.... Just stop, your sounding crazier and crazier at this point, I half expect you to claim 9/11 was a conspiracy.

"An MS owned media outlet".

I mean... your implying Microsoft is some way doctoring the story to "get at Sony"!

If they cared that much about "getting sony".   They'd just tank the Vaio by refusing to liscense Windows to it.

9/11 was a conspiracy do you know the defintion of conspiracy? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy

2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious planformulated in secret by two or more 

persons;plot

3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evilpurpose: He joined the conspiracy to 

overthrow thegovernment.

 

Bottom line is all of the links you have provided are turning had ability to access into stole 77 million of and probably nots into maybes and maybes into probablys and thats just not accurate journalism 



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A question to those saying that Sony's security is bad or that they were negligent:

Do you know how Sony's security works? How was the hack carried out? Could you have hacked PSN? I mean, Sony just doesn't care about our sensitive information and their security is so weak, right? 

How many of you work in IT and how many of you are just adolescents blabbering whatever you just read on the internet? 

Do I believe that "Sony can do no wrong"? Of course not, but then again, I also don't go around saying things like I know how everything about the topic works. Until someone can tell me how the infrastructure of PSN works and how they (the poster) can hack it, then all of you bashers are just idiots who know nothing. 

Everything electronic in this world is hackable. But you don't see me saying how easy it is to hack high level company's infrastructure because they are so negligent, and *I* just so happen to be smart enough to know how to invade their network. If I was the most intelligent person on this planet, and I could hack everything known to man, I wouldn't blame the company that made the product because I knew how to hack it.



BMaker11 said:

Everything electronic in this world is hackable. But you don't see me saying how easy it is to hack high level company's infrastructure because they are so negligent, and *I* just so happen to be smart enough to know how to invade their network. If I was the most intelligent person on this planet, and I could hack everything known to man, I wouldn't blame the company that made the product because I knew how to hack it.

Yes, everything is hackable. Even top level security companies: http://gcn.com/articles/2011/03/18/rsa-securid-hacked-apt.aspx

 



The spin is amazingly bad here. Sony says all personal information is compromised, but people in this thread seem to disagree. That is amazingly bad.

Ok onto the people who have issues with putting Sony's share of the blam on them. I can't explain how it went down, but it has been blindingly obvious huge parts of the PSN security was maintained through the PS3 being trusted. This is shown with the exploits such as reseting trophy data, leader board scores, etc that have run rampanty since the PS3 was hacked. Linked to this? Maybe, maybe not. A sign of shitty security? Absolutely. PC has been as open for ages and this shit doesn't happen on, say, Steam or Impulse.

Moving on, the data actually stolen screams bad security as well. Passwords? They got passwords somehow? Security 101 is you encrypt the fuck out of passwords. Any decent system won't be able to divulge it to the systems admin. They are locked away and stored in parts only accessed while verifying the password itself. This, in and of itself, is not really that bad. It is a huge sign of sloppy security though.

Next we have the fact that the CC info itself was stored without needing to exploit an entirely different system screams at me. Admittedly, I have not ever implemented a security system that saves CC info. I will concede any point to rocketpig if he disagress, but there is no way the systems should be remotely similar in terms of security. Completely different, and much tighter security measures should have been utilized to store that data. No way should getting access to the personal info. I certainly wouldn't have my name on such shitty security implimentation.

Finally we come to the worst part of it all. Informing the users. There was a potential security breach that causes a widespread panic and shut down? Inform all the users. That day. If nothing comes of it, great. You tell them immediatly that personal information was leaked though. Log-in and password combinations are used in multiple places by almost everyone to a certain degree. Hell I will keep the same one for bullshit like email or this site. There is no excusing the delay at all. The "panic" caused is considered an accpetable loss by the company. Yes your reputation takes a potentially un-needed hit, but it is an entirely warranted one.

Sony promised to keep the personal information secret, and then failed to deliver on the promise. There is no room for equivication there. Parts of this are as black and white as a newspaper, and that is one of them. Sony failed in their job. The person who breached the secutiry is absolutely to blame as well, but not solely. Sony failed in their due diligence just as badly as the intruder failed in following laws. Both parties are to blame, and I invite someone to argue otherwise as you have some misconception about what is going on here. I will gladly try to illuminate the other side as someone who has been responsible for network security. If this happened to my network I would absolutely hold myself accountable, and take my well deserved share of the blame.



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imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
Dude.... Just stop, your sounding crazier and crazier at this point, I half expect you to claim 9/11 was a conspiracy.

"An MS owned media outlet".

I mean... your implying Microsoft is some way doctoring the story to "get at Sony"!

If they cared that much about "getting sony".   They'd just tank the Vaio by refusing to liscense Windows to it.

9/11 was a conspiracy do you know the defintion of conspiracy? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspirac

2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious planformulated in secret by two or more 

persons;plot

3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evilpurpose: He joined the conspiracy to 

overthrow thegovernment.

 

Bottom line is all of the links you have provided are turning had ability to access into stole 77 million of and probably nots into maybes and maybes into probablys and thats just not accurate journalism 

Yes, parse words, to defelect about how crazy you sound by claiming MSNBC is planting exagerated stories to sabtoage Sony.

Sound Strategy.

I'll rephrase though... you sound like one of the people that believe (9/11 was an inside job, all relgiions are the same and created to control people, Jesus didn't exist as a person ever, International bankers control the world and have been responsible for every war since WW2 to gain money and control, Obama is not a US citizen, Sarah Palin.

 

Sony said all personal info was compromised.  So yeah... that would be all users no?



BMaker11 said:

A question to those saying that Sony's security is bad or that they were negligent:

Do you know how Sony's security works? How was the hack carried out? Could you have hacked PSN? I mean, Sony just doesn't care about our sensitive information and their security is so weak, right?

How many of you work in IT and how many of you are just adolescents blabbering whatever you just read on the internet?

Do I believe that "Sony can do no wrong"? Of course not, but then again, I also don't go around saying things like I know how everything about the topic works. Until someone can tell me how the infrastructure of PSN works and how they (the poster) can hack it, then all of you bashers are just idiots who know nothing.

Everything electronic in this world is hackable. But you don't see me saying how easy it is to hack high level company's infrastructure because they are so negligent, and *I* just so happen to be smart enough to know how to invade their network. If I was the most intelligent person on this planet, and I could hack everything known to man, I wouldn't blame the company that made the product because I knew how to hack it.

I have worked in IT for a number of years before switching careers. I have been certified for it in fact. Sony failed on some levels here. They are not solely to blame, but blame does fall on them. Many aspects of this story should not have played out this way. The intruder has the lion's share of the blame, but not all of it considering what has been lost, and how that was handled.



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