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Yeah punked in the order of most punked to least punked at least when it comes to next generation motion controllers. I am making two assumptions that the touch screen rumour is real and that the NES 6 is backwards compatible with the Wiimote.

In a nutshell in order to stave off any PMS (Post Malstrom Stress) I'll sum it up in a one liner: Nintendo just pumped up a specific style of game controller, made mega dollars on the trend and then abandoned as their main console focus in less than 5 years.

To explain what I mean: (Backwards compatibility.) or you could read the following two paragraphs.

Nintendo has already pretty much captured the wand style motion control market. All they have to do at this point is offer forward compatibility to the NES 6 for all those who are interested in the technology and games. So essentially if you already have a Wii you'll buy an NES 6 because you can still use your $100 or more investment in controllers and games. If you become interested in the controls or games then you can still buy Wii mote controllers and if you're not interested by now you may become interested in the new possibilities of what the NES 6 will offer. Nintendo will likely lock in a large proportion of their current Wii market whilst at the same time expand to new markets. 

The market won't get confused because Nintendo will use a pretty simple distinction to tell people how they will play their games. Wii = needs a Wii mote. xxx = needs an xxx mote. It seems to work quite well for Microsoft with Kinect titles so im pretty sure it'll work extremely well for Nintendo at the same time.


So how did they punk Sony? Well sorry Sony but Nintendo has an even better upgrade path to the Wii HD given the fact that the enourmous number of controllers and accessories Wii owners have bought will continue to work. They'll have a hard time convincing people to 'upgrade' to a PS3 post E3. On the other hand Sony courted a bunch of technophiles with their techy console, they stand to lose them on probation at least until the PS4 is released.

So how did the punk Microsoft? Well sorry Microsoft but Kinect doesn't cut it as a means to control  a console compared to a touch screen at this point. A touch screen is intuitive, contextual and accurate so whilst they may have different strengths it is likely far more practical overall as a controller. Im not saying that Kinect doesn't do things that you can't do with a touch screen or Wiimote.

Overall? The NES 6 is probably going to be the best console released yet, and really who would doubt otherwise? It will have the most performance, the most complete controller setup between supporting motion and touch interfaces as well as biometric if we go by that heart rate sensor thingie. It shouldn't lack for games at launch and within a year for all practical purposes it will have at least as good a library as any console as legacy titles over a year old aren't important on the market place and backwards compatibility will fill out the remainder of the gaps. 

 

 

 

 




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They mainly punked them in a sense that Sony and Microsoft are catering to upmarket customers. But neither of them will be able to move even further upmarket (800$ consoles? Longer development cycle for games?).

If Nintendo plays their cards right they will be better at motion gaming (just like you said) and "hardcore" enough to get a decent share of the upmarket customers which would screw Sony's and Microsoft's business. They weren't even able to recover their losses yet.

I don't get the purpose of that new Nintendo controller so I'll wait until e3 to go bonkers over anything. Things are getting more interesting, though.



one thing for sure nintendo created some  dangereous pressure for microsoft and sony now to make their next gen system



UncleScrooge said:

I don't get the purpose of that new Nintendo controller so I'll wait until e3 to go bonkers over anything. Things are getting more interesting, though.


The purpose of that controller is to take advantage of new opportunities, leverage their current market philosophy to the detriment of the old razor/blade model Sony pioneered to much success against them and defend themselves from encroachment by Apple given the touch screen is seen as their forte.



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UncleScrooge said:

They mainly punked them in a sense that Sony and Microsoft are catering to upmarket customers. But neither of them will be able to move even further upmarket (800$ consoles? Longer development cycle for games?).

If Nintendo plays their cards right they will be better at motion gaming (just like you said) and "hardcore" enough to get a decent share of the upmarket customers which would screw Sony's and Microsoft's business. They weren't even able to recover their losses yet.

I don't get the purpose of that new Nintendo controller so I'll wait until e3 to go bonkers over anything. Things are getting more interesting, though.

This.  If Nintendo was smart, they'd focus on making a 'upscale' yet affordable system next gen, like the GameCube last gen.  If they could come out with something around $250 that's the same or slightly more powerful than the PS3, they'd probably do very well.  Unless third parties actively boyvott their system like they have been since the N64.

Next gen, both MS and Sony have a tough decision.  They can either keep focusing on the 'hardcore' gamer with graphics and some $400-$600 system.  Or they'll follow the plan of Nintendo did this gen of a more cost effective and 'sensible' system around $250-$300 dollars.  The upside is by 2014, they can probably make quite a substantial system for $300.  The downside is, if Nintendo is looking to release a new system by 2012, then both MS and Sony could be upstaged greatly.  The PS2 came out only a year before the competition and Wii came out less than a year after the XBOX360.  But if both MS and Sony are looking 2 or more years after the next Nintendo system...things could get interesting.



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Yea im hoping they still support the wii remote with project cafe so they can keep their casuals.



On the whole a good read even though I would argue a lot of it but good to see you are back with these threads without the ...



I think MS has been punked harder than Sony.

MS appears to have switched focus to their motion controller moreso than Sony. I'd expect 2012 to be around the time any well developed 'core' Kinect game would arrive. In some ways it might have been better for MS if Kinect wasn't as successful.

Kinect failed to steal Wii's cazualz but Microsoft's new family friendly direction might actually make it easier for Nintendo to steal their hardcorze. Is that irony? 



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Pyro as Bill said:

I think MS has been punked harder than Sony.

MS appears to have switched focus to their motion controller moreso than Sony. I'd expect 2012 to be around the time any well developed 'core' Kinect game would arrive. In some ways it might have been better for MS if Kinect wasn't as successful.

Kinect failed to steal Wii's cazualz but Microsoft's new family friendly direction might actually make it easier for Nintendo to steal their hardcorze. Is that irony? 

It's complicated, I would say Sony more than Microsoft simply because a PS3 with Move would be roughly equivalent to an NES 6 with Wiimotes except the latter would have more performance and a few gameplay opportunities not present on the Sony system which is further compounded by Nitendo's total dominance of the wand market, 8M vs 150M or more? Kinect on the other hand would be in a similar boat hower it would still retain some unique features not seen in either the PS3 or NES 6 or Wii. Im not really trying to disagree with you, im just trying to make more point clearer as to why I originally stated it as I did.



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Not sure what you guys are on about. Sales for the year show that the Wii hardware has sold much less this year than the previous and I assume that this is the direct result of the Kinect and Move systems coming out last year. Now that gamers have the option of buying a console that caters to both hardcore and casual titles, they will prefer that to simply buying a Wii which while having a much better selection of titles is mostly known for casual gaming. I think that Nintendo had to come up with a new console as the Wii has reached its peak and will reduce or stabilise in lower sell numbers. This shouldnt be a problem for them as they would have already made tons of money and will still make money from new software due to the huge Wii install base.

With regards to the Wii2, if Nintendo wants to attract new hardcore gamers, they will have to come up with some very compelling (highly rated >8 score) games that will compel gamers to buy them to rather than getting ps3s or 360s with their library of games. If not, this may go the way of the dreamcast.



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