Like, want? Gamers, real gamers, not casuals want hardcore games that the GBA and PS2 had. DS is sub par in that category

I wasn't commenting on the PS2, just reviewers in general ...

Reviewers know how to review games that are "almost exactly like the previous version, only slightly better" and do a pretty good job of it; when it comes to new and different genres they tend to score them all over the place.

I don't understand your point ...

One of the main reasons the DS has mopped the floor with the PSP is that Nintendo maintained a strong library in all of the key genres that the Gameboy line was known for; there are plenty of good RPGs, 2d platformers and puzzle games. The PSP tried to bring success in the handheld market by dominating genres that were popular on the PS2. The result is that people who own a PSP are far more likely to be playing emulated SNES games on their PSP than PSP games; many of these games that they're playing for the SNES are similar to the games that are available for the DS.

Hopefully it will turn out like the DS, I like how DS is going and i am considering it for my first handheld.

I believe it will be a combination of PS2/DS and GC as Rol said.

It will have the traditional and excellent staple of Ninty first party titles like GC did.
It will have some excellent original titles that could only happen on such an unusual system like the DS [trauma centre/phoenix wright]
It will have some good "ps2 like" games, by which I mean casual games like FPS/sports titles.


And of course it will have a massive library of shovelware like PS2 did [i saw a selection of "Top Trumps" games for PS2 in a store recently]


Also i will add. Weren't you banned a few hours ago?

The DS is suffering from handheld games in general getting lower reviews (just look at the PSP with no 90+ rated games), and many of the games being so different to what reviewers are used to that rating them is difficult. How do you rate Phoenix Wright and Ouendan on the same scale as Dead Rising or Heavenly Sword?

Zack&Wiki is a good example of a Wii game with the same problem. The game is so undeniably brilliant that only one reviewer has been uncultured enough to give it a score lower than 80, but so different that very few have had the balls to give it anything above 90.

Most reviewers simply can't tackle this problem, and opt to give some of the most innovative games of our time 80-something scores to offend as few people as possible.

My point is that the DS has less full length, hardcore games than either the GBA and PS2 and instead has an overabundance of casual impulse games. I understand that is the larger market now, but for old time gamers like me who like rocking out for hours and busting brain cells on games like OoT, Majora's Mask, Xenogears, God of War, ICO, Golden Suns and Secret of Mana's the DS is weaker than some previous gen systems.

First, you just can't compare handhelds with consoles. Many people make that mistake, also some at Sony, and that's why the DS is beasting the PSP.

The main reason why you won't see as many epic games on the DS as on home consoles is that they just don't fit on handhelds.
That being said, the DS has the best line-up of all handhelds if you don't count remakes. I mean, the GBA had a great line-up, but a huge part of its great games are SNES remakes. The DS on the other hand has very few remakes, but its own games in most of Nintendo's franchises. And all that call the DS's library mediocre just have to wait until all the RPG's that are currently released in Japan make their way to the west.

So much about the DS, let's move on to the Wii. Well, there's not much to add because Rol said it. The Gamecube's strength were the great first party titles. You can be sure that you will see them on the Wii as well. The PS2's strength were the third party titles and especially the amount of titles in the range 80 % upwards. The Wii may won't get as much third party love as the PS2, but it will definitely get enough to satisfy fans of every genre. Lastly, let's come to the DS's special appeal. It's its new interface and the new gaming ideas that emerge. You can be absolutely sure that you will have that too.

So let's make a summary. For people that have always been on the Nintendo side, the Wii will be one of the best consoles ever because it does everything what they are used to and even more. People that don't like gaming too much will love the Wii too because of its accessability. People that are long-time gamers but not interested in Nintendo's games, however, probably won't like the Wii as much as the PS2, but they will still be happy with it.

DS is getting low score because the reviewers dont understand the new games? Maybe we should ask Factor 5 and let them send "How to review a game" book like they did with Lair.

I still don't get your point ...

I'm 28 and have been playing videogames since I was 4/5 on the Colecovision ... I have owned an Atari, Colecovision, 8086, 286, 486, Pentium, Pentium 2, Pentium 3, Pentium 4, Athlon X2, Nes, Snes, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Playstation, PS2, Dreamcast, XBox 360, Gameboy, GBA, and Nintendo DS and as an OLD SCHOOL gamer I see nothing wrong with the DS's lineup.

Yes it does, if you like the Wii games.