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Also North American games market is bigger than Europe. Last gen Sony shipped 47 million PS2 to NA and 44 million to EU for example.

The biggest gaming market is North America. 

 Even if Xbox didn't sell one unit in Europe, it would still be a huge success. Since Europe population keeps getting older and smaller, they will probably continue to grow less important as a gaming market.

 Most weeks 360 wins or ties PS3, even though it sells almost none  in Japan, and not as good in Europe. That shows that the American market is the major factor. I expect that trend to continue.



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bdbdbd said:

@fkusumot: As far i've understood, the image of the car owners have changed drastically in the last decade/two decades. From what i know, today if you drive USA:n car in the US, you are either broke or gay, or perhaps even both.

 That's pretty random.



fkusumot said:
Grey Acumen said:
Why is it that through this thread, no one has actually mentioned that this is not Ethnicity, but Nationality?


+1 to Grey Acumen for finally correcting that.

It's not unheard of for a product to be shunned because of the country of origin. A ways back, and even now in some places, it was looked down upon in America to own a foreign car (especially Japanese made).
That type of behavior aside, Microsoft's biggest image problem isn't that they're an American company, it's that they are viewed by many as the monopoly seeking Microsoft. One group that has this view is the many courts of law that have ruled against it in anti-competitive lawsuits brought by organizations like the EU.


 Most Japanese wont buy Xbox or American cars because they are highly xenophobic. They also hate Korea, etc. Korea buys all Xbox and no PS3 because Korea hates Japan fiercely. China also will not buy Japan cars, only GM cars froim America, because China also hates Japan.

 

A good example is Uncharted for PS3, which was huge, huge bomb in Japan. Japanese never buy western games, they are biased. It is funny thatr Uncharted sold almost nothing in Japan though. 

 

Everybody knows the Japanese are so biased. On the 1upyours show they said one time a company tried to trick the Japanese by making a fake Japanese producer for an European game, and putting him in advertisements. It is pretty sad that people know the Japanese are this way.

 

That is why so many western Sony games are huge, huge bombs in Japan. Little Big Planet is already expected to be a huge bomb in Japan, since it is Western. 



europe-asia-hate-usa said:
When given the choice between an american and a non american product of the same kind essentially, same quality then people will choose the non american product. Ipods, etc there is no choice because ipod is the only major brand abroad. With consoles the choice is open so people are given a choice to not sacrifice their enjoyment in the product but at the same time not support a country they dislike. The people I talked to who wont buy xbox's because of the country of origin also say that the lineup of games cater to americans as well which is simply yet another reason to justify their decision with.

 Are you retarded? Ipod has no competion in Japan? Ever heard of the Sony Walkman?

 

If people hate America so much then why:

 

Are the most popular movies and music in Europe American.

 

McDonalds.

 Ipod

Google, Yahoo, youtube, etc etc..American dominance. Europe zilch.. 

 



Anyways this post is wrong because PS3 really isn't "winning" "Others" by very much. maybe 100k per week or like 33%.

And that's just right now after Sony has slashed the price $100 twice in less than 9 months.

Everytime Sony cut prices in the past, soon there sales start to decline again after a few weeks boost. I expect that will happen again.

In the end Xbox 360 is going to win Europe because it wins America. Most software development is in America, so the software will be on 360 in the future, and Europe sales will slowly follow suit.

But even if things stayed exactly as they are, it's still good for 360. Tying PS# WW on a weekly basis is very good, considering how totally dominant a base Sony had to build off of with PS2. Sony is like a football team going into the fourth quarter already leading by 3 TD's (the momentum of PS2). If the game ends up tied, the other team is happy because they had no right to tie.

Sony should be totally dominating because PS2 was so strong..yet they only tie after two $100 price cuts in 9 months, and losing almost a billion dollars a quarter. I dont think that is very good.



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@Sharky: It looks like you don't know the markets or how they work. You see, when you look at the markets/market share, you are dissing the fact, that the markets work only on local level.
For example McDonalds, it currently the second biggest hamburger chain in Finland, and propably ends up being third in the next couple of years. And i don't think things are different in different countries. You see, McDonalds doesn't really have global competitor, but where the competition is, it's not winning (in terms of market share).

The same goes for movies and music, in the local markets, they are losing to their local competitors. In movies and music, most of them are targeted to local markets, although some do aim for international success. Most popular artists, for example, in Finland tend to be finnish. Of course, there are some bands with some international success, like Darude, HIM, Nightwish, Lordi, but they all have targeted for the local, finnish, market. Basically you could say that if you make a movie or record with your (non-english) native language, it's not going to be a hit outside your own country. Although, Rammstein makes a good example about exception (but german is a lot better language than english for heavy metal). Also worth of noticing is that, after an artist have become success in it's own country, they start to market the artist abroad (if the record company sees it worth marketing), when it's easy to become a success in USA, which has the biggest single market and record company makes the money needed to market the artist abroad, before they start the marketing. And there are only two kinds of record companies (in general), either wery small, who can't afford multi-million marketing budget worldwide and the extremely big companies, who like to market only the artists who preferrably already have success.

And about cars, currently the USAn manufacturers are making (in USA) propably the lowest quality cars in market. The reason for example BMW has a niche market, is because they choose to have it. You're not going to hit mass market by making premium cars, with premium quality and sell them at premium price. BMW is doing fine with the way they have chose. The same thing cannot be said about the USAn manufacturers, who wrestle with profitability issues. This is one of the issues why they buy most of the parts from Korea and then assemble them in USA.
As you propably have noticed, the USAn manufacturers aren't really pushing their USAn branded cars in Europe or their European branded cars in USA. Although, they are slowly trying to change it. Chrysler tried to enter the European market with Neon, which was really crappy car, with it's bad quality, impractical space usage and underpowered engine with 3-speed automatic transmission, which made the car feel even more underpowered. These qualities may sell cars in the US, but in Europe they are unacceptable when competitors offer cars with better space usage, better quality, and better performance with lower fuel consumption. GM is currently trying to hit the market with Dodge Caliber, it has low pricepoint, decent variety of engines (it has even diesel engines), aggressive look (it has "fun" factor) and it's assembled in Sweden, if i recall.
The reasons why USAn branded cars aren't popular in Europe, are because their low quality, high price, they are bad to drive, they are impractical, have low performance, high consumption and they don't have (at least decent) diesel engines on their models. Actually only decent diesel engine outside Europe, has Toyota, while even it has a long way to go to match for example Volkswagen, PSA or Renault.
10% market share for european manufacturers seem a little low, considering Europe having 6 car manufacturers, USA having 3, Japan having 2, China having 2, India having 1, Russia having one and Korea having 1.

One good example how the USAn companies seems to see how they enter Europe, is Wal-Mart. They use "elbowing" in USA, so they thougt it would work in Europe too. But, they faced two problems and created one of their own. Problem one was their tactic in USA didn't work in Europe because of the laws around here. Problem 2 was Lidl, so they entered the red ocean and Lidl already "elbowed" as much as was possible. Then the problem they created, was using USAn suppliers, which caused them to have too expensive products. Although we're not as patriotic as USAns are, but we like to buy familiar products and "Made in USA" doesn't stand for quality. And even less when you provide the cheapest and lowest quality products here.

i-pod propably is the market leader in MP3 players, but the most common MP3 player still is Nokian mobile. I mean, is there any mobile phone today, which doesn't have MP3 player.

Among the internet related companies, the USAn companies definately are the most popular, but that has a lot to do with their headstart, they had time to establish their services, while everyone else were just starting to get familiar with internet. But on the other hand, there's services like Skype (which atleast originates from a swede). Now this doesn't mean, that there would be a threat to the US companies dominating the market, but it can be considered as a sign, that others are following and eventually put up competition.

In general, the reason for USAn companies foothold in Europe, originates a lot from WW2, when a lot of the infrastructure was destroyed, people became poor and things were messed up. After WW2, there were a lot of cheap companies, which needed capital to get up on their feets and start working. Since USA had money and investors, the USAn investors gave the money and the companies gave a nice share to investors.

So we don't hate USAns or their products, we just know that we and the Japanese have better products.



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