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I like the ps3 controller, xbox is just too clunky. I owned a original xbox over a ps2 and a 360 b efore a ps3



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dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

We both already establish that it's a matter of personal choice. You probably prefer the PS3 controller because you play more PS then 360.

I don't like the PS3 controller because the Analog stick feels very loose for me, and said complaints about the trigger, being small, uncurved, not having a click when fully pressed, and not pressing in in a natural way like the 360 trigger.

Also for racing, pssh, controller. Steering wheel is where it's at, but from my short experience with controller based steering, I still prefer the 360 trigger button. It's just a better button overall, and talk to anybody who actually owns both a PS3 and a 360, and plays both, they will likely agree.

Well your maybe right. But I have cousins in Europe and they own both consoles and they agree with me. I have visted Europe many times (espeically Geramny and France and most people I know there prefer PS3 controller) But where I live in Canada and most people agree with you.

Hey I'm from Toronto, what's up fellow Canuk?

Everyone has a personal preference, the PS3 controller is still a good controller. I don't really understand why Sony made trigger button either, but it's a welcome addition if you ask me. At least PS3 controllers don't break like my 360 controllers. 1 controller doesn't have a working A button, and the other has a loose analog stick, but still works. Only had 1 PS1 controller ever go on me, over the duration of 3 consoles.

BTW, what's up with Germany? I heard many 360 exclusives don't get localized there for a couple years after release. I heard Gears of War 1 was a 2008 title for them?

Also this controller issue, it could be a regional thing. In Canada and USA 360 outsells PS3, but in most of Europe including France and Germany, PS3 outsells 360. Maybe people in different regions play different types of games and like different triggers?



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PearlJam said:
LivingMetal said:

Killzone 3 is "not selling well" because the PS3 is not the "shooter box."


The best selling games on PS3 are shooters, there are just as many shooters on PS3 or even more. It's just as much a "shooter box", just doesn't do it as well.

 

The game is selling fine. People need to stop looking at COD and Halo, and start comparing it with other shooters. It's doing just fine for what it is.

Well, not really. PS3's best selling games are shooters, but don't sell as well by volume despite PS3 and 360 having essentially the same number of overall units.

It's because 360 is 5:3 times better selling in Americas, and if you look at the more popular shooters, generally 60-80% of the games sales are in Americas. So if you cut away 40% of sales for every 2/3 games, you should expect PS3 games to sell only about 70-80% as well as 360 games. All figures are just estimates, after all Call of duty is more popular in Europe then a sci fi shooter like Halo or Killzone.



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I stand by my statement.



Michael-5 said:
dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:
 

We both already establish that it's a matter of personal choice. You probably prefer the PS3 controller because you play more PS then 360.

I don't like the PS3 controller because the Analog stick feels very loose for me, and said complaints about the trigger, being small, uncurved, not having a click when fully pressed, and not pressing in in a natural way like the 360 trigger.

Also for racing, pssh, controller. Steering wheel is where it's at, but from my short experience with controller based steering, I still prefer the 360 trigger button. It's just a better button overall, and talk to anybody who actually owns both a PS3 and a 360, and plays both, they will likely agree.

Well your maybe right. But I have cousins in Europe and they own both consoles and they agree with me. I have visted Europe many times (espeically Geramny and France and most people I know there prefer PS3 controller) But where I live in Canada and most people agree with you.

Hey I'm from Toronto, what's up fellow Canuk?

Everyone has a personal preference, the PS3 controller is still a good controller. I don't really understand why Sony made trigger button either, but it's a welcome addition if you ask me. At least PS3 controllers don't break like my 360 controllers. 1 controller doesn't have a working A button, and the other has a loose analog stick, but still works. Only had 1 PS1 controller ever go on me, over the duration of 3 consoles.

BTW, what's up with Germany? I heard many 360 exclusives don't get localized there for a couple years after release. I heard Gears of War 1 was a 2008 title for them?

Also this controller issue, it could be a regional thing. In Canada and USA 360 outsells PS3, but in most of Europe including France and Germany, PS3 outsells 360. Maybe people in different regions play different types of games and like different triggers?

Yeah I live in Toronto as well so thumbs up for Canada! I personaly think Xbox sells better in U.S. because

1. Many established exclusive franchies.

2. People in U.S.A think Xbox 360 is the best for shooters so they want to buy shooters on the 360 opposed to the PS3.

3. But people in Japan, Germany, France e.t.c prefer qualltiy over "I want to play Halo" like in the U.S.A. (Halo is a great game btw).

I think the biggest reason is because 360 games have a lot of hype in the U.S.A and have much more stronger exclusive franchises than PS3 over there. Looking at the European and Americas slaes I have to say.... they both prefer shooters,sports,racing,e.t.c but different kinds



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dsage01 said:
Michael-5 said:

Hey I'm from Toronto, what's up fellow Canuk?

Everyone has a personal preference, the PS3 controller is still a good controller. I don't really understand why Sony made trigger button either, but it's a welcome addition if you ask me. At least PS3 controllers don't break like my 360 controllers. 1 controller doesn't have a working A button, and the other has a loose analog stick, but still works. Only had 1 PS1 controller ever go on me, over the duration of 3 consoles.

BTW, what's up with Germany? I heard many 360 exclusives don't get localized there for a couple years after release. I heard Gears of War 1 was a 2008 title for them?

Also this controller issue, it could be a regional thing. In Canada and USA 360 outsells PS3, but in most of Europe including France and Germany, PS3 outsells 360. Maybe people in different regions play different types of games and like different triggers?

Yeah I live in Toronto as well so thumbs up for Canada! I personaly think Xbox sells better in U.S. because

1. Many established exclusive franchies.

2. People in U.S.A think Xbox 360 is the best for shooters so they want to buy shooters on the 360 opposed to the PS3.

3. But people in Japan, Germany, France e.t.c prefer qualltiy over "I want to play Halo" like in the U.S.A. (Halo is a great game btw).

I think the biggest reason is because 360 games have a lot of hype in the U.S.A and have much more stronger exclusive franchises than PS3 over there. Looking at the European and Americas slaes I have to say.... they both prefer shooters,sports,racing,e.t.c but different kinds

I agree, and I also add 360 sells well in USA because it's domestic. Being domestic is a big reason why a lot of terrible US companies still exist, and since USA is such a populated country, that makes a big difference.

However #3, I'm not sure I agree. A lot of 360 exclusives are quality titles, there just aren't as many franchises, and were seeing less game 6 years after launch. I personally prefer Forza over GT, and I own all Forza's and GT's. Halo, Gears, Splinter Cell, and a lot of MS published exclusives (Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect 1, etc) are great quality games. Fable....nah lol

Sony still has more, Killzone, Uncharted, Resistance, Gt, Motorstorm, God of War, LBP, and again a lot of Sony published, or financiall aided exclusives like MGS4, Demon Souls, etc.

MS just knows how to advertize better that's why why 3600 360 games selling really well in Americas. In USA, adterizing is everything because people are mindless Zombies. Watch Futurama S06E03, and that's my opinion about the comercial industry in USA. I mean I think the reason Homefront sold so much better on 360 then PS3, and better then Crysis was because it was advertized over X-Box. When you logged in for all of February, you saw the homefront ad immediatly.



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I've noticed a trend with Sony's first party exclusives on PS3.  With the exception of Uncharted 2, the sequels have almost all done worse than their predecessors in overall sales.

I don't want to grab the numbers but off the top of my head I'm pretty sure sales for the following sequels lag behind the previous iteration:

Killzone 2 > Killzone 3

Resistance: FOM > Resistance 2

LBP 1 > LBP 2

Motorstorm > Motorstorm: Pacific Rift (and Apocalypse most likely)

R&C: ToD > R&C: Crack in Time

MLB The Show's sales have also declined each year

I know LBP2 and KZ3 are relatively new and could possibly eclipse their predecessor when it's all said and done but they have definitely gotten off to slower starts.  I'm curious as to how inFamous 2 and R3 will do this year.  With the PS3's installed base continuing to grow, what gives with these software sales numbers? 



hmduong said:

I've noticed a trend with Sony's first party exclusives on PS3.  With the exception of Uncharted 2, the sequels have almost all done worse than their predecessors in overall sales.

I don't want to grab the numbers but off the top of my head I'm pretty sure sales for the following sequels lag behind the previous iteration:

Killzone 2 > Killzone 3

Resistance: FOM > Resistance 2

LBP 1 > LBP 2

Motorstorm > Motorstorm: Pacific Rift (and Apocalypse most likely)

R&C: ToD > R&C: Crack in Time

MLB The Show's sales have also declined each year

I know LBP2 and KZ3 are relatively new and could possibly eclipse their predecessor when it's all said and done but they have definitely gotten off to slower starts.  I'm curious as to how inFamous 2 and R3 will do this year.  With the PS3's installed base continuing to grow, what gives with these software sales numbers? 

KZ3: likely the low metascore cuppled with the immense competition. It could still catch KZ2 though

R2: R1 was a launch title & I think it was bundled.

LBP2: Released in January as opposed to holiday season. LBP1 GOTY is seen as more value than LBP2 by a lot of people.

Motorstorm 1 was bundled. I know that.

R&C: This I don't know. R&C sales have been in decline since the PS2 era though.



M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Michael-5 said:
 

Yea, I was the same with Lost Planet 1. That game really got me into online multiplayer and made me a better shooter player overall. KZ3 has rank bonuses, but just from hype Halo and CoD are bigger online. By no means is quality better, I love KZ, just I think CoD and Halo are a bit simpler.


kz3 has more than just rank bonuses, in game ribbons, exoskelotons, jetpacks, missions etc etc....I'm not gonna get into this sale argument tbh...if it sells well not halo well but well, then I have no complaints whatsoever...there are plenty of ppl to play with online all the time so my experience has been nothing but awesome. I just wanted to point out what you said absolutely made no sense and to be frank..a lie. Let's just leave it at that..

Well lets just say it's not hyped as much for casual gamers as Halo or CoD. I think not being the star title in a fall lineup makes a big difference to overall sales.

again I never did or want to get into the sales debate, as long as it's doing fine and have enough players to play online with, that's all that matters to me cuz I'm having a blast with it...it's one of the best MP experiences of this gen

anywho what I wanted to point out, I did. might wanna not say such things in the future if you don't have a clue about it

Now that I actually have Killzone 3 and played a reasonable amount of time online, I stand by my original statement. Killzone 3 online is not that different then Killzone 2.

Sorry for comming back to this so late, my computer crashed last month, and it was rather nice not having a computer for a bit. Back now, and I just wanted to say this.

Killzone isn't as hyped as Halo or Call of Duty. Like Battlefield, it stuggles to define itself as a leading multiplayer experience. Halo and CoD defined themselves as multiplayer kings early on. Even if Killzone 3 is as good as Halo: Reach online, it still won't sell half as well.

Similar to how Ford Mustangs sell roughly 4x as many cars as Chevy Cameros. Mustangs have been the leading muscle car for a long long time, the Camero needs to be a lot better to even match sales, and it has to be like that for a long time, not just 1 generation.

Also ontop of that CoD and Halo are simpler gamers, which offer more online content, and more reasons to come back. Yea Killzone 3 has classes and weapon unlocks and stuff, but nothing as detailed as the perk system in CoD, or the killstreak bonus's. Same goes with Halo.

Killzone is fun as hell, but it doesn't sell to the masses because it's not the multiplayer defining experience, nor is it as easy to get into, nor is it as balanced. Ever wonder why no one plays that map with the mechs? It's just not fun when 1 guy in a mech kills everything. At least in Halo's Hemorige(?) map Wraiths can still be destroyed modestly easily, and the map is only selected for large scale battles.



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