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LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Squilliam said:

It definately makes sense for them to use Blu Ray. It's probably the cheapest way to get dense, higher speed media without resorting to flash.


What if they do resort to it?

Flash would be awesome but they'd forgo b/c


Not unless they have a legacy drive. Heck, they could even keep the controller and memory card GC slots, as they wouldn't add much to the system (and have their own uses).

adding something as expensive as an optical drive for the sole purpose of b/c makes little sense from a hardware manufacturing point of view... maybe if they sold it separately as an attachment, maybe... but I'm not holding my breath for flash just yet, as much as I'd love to see it happen.


This is the optical drive on the Wii. That wasn't that expensive even at launch.

It was the most expensive component in the system at launch according to this breakdown. Even if the same component costs $10 today it is still a considerable addition to the cost of hardware, not to mention the effort that would have to go into designing the new console around the inclusion of an otherwise unnecessary physical drive, in terms of size, power requirements and other issues. That's a lot of effort for a secondary feature of a system.

But again, this whole debate seems rather pointless to me since they will be sticking with discs in all likelihood anyway.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
Squilliam said:

It definately makes sense for them to use Blu Ray. It's probably the cheapest way to get dense, higher speed media without resorting to flash.


What if they do resort to it?

Publisher revolt, most likely. N64-style, since then it would end up costing a lot more per unit to physically make the Cafe games (and we know that Nintendo requires more financial input on the publisher's part to make games for their console period than Sony or Microsoft do, so nothing would exist to alleviate those costs)



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gumby_trucker said:

Just a thought that crossed my mind, but wouldn't it possibly be beneficial to the BDA to give away the license for free to console manufacturers at this point?

If we are really talking about pennies per system, then considering the average consumer would most likely not buy a BD player at this point anyway, with digital distribution having taken off, it seems like a logical way to increase the market penetration dramatically.

I mean even if out of every 10 console owners, only 1 of them cares enough about having built in Blu-Ray to actually go out and buy a single movie during the entire lifetime of the format it might still be profitable* for the BDA. If this kind of move actually helps the format gain a decent market share, then the whole venture would be wildly profitable!

*I'm assuming that for each movie sold the BDA gets in the area of 10 licenses worth of profit, which going by this thread would equate to a Quarter and change... seems reasonable for a layman like me anyway.

Of course this is all assuming Nintendo even intended to go with Blu-Ray to begin with, not to mention have dual layer support.

anybody have anything to comment on this?



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I'd be happy if they use modified SDXC(up to 2TB) with UHS-1 speed slot as basic support, big space, fast, and doesn't take a lot of room to store. don't care much about movie playback on consoles tbh.



gumby_trucker said:

It was the most expensive component in the system at launch according to this breakdown. Even if the same component costs $10 today it is still a considerable addition to the cost of hardware, not to mention the effort that would have to go into designing the new console around the inclusion of an otherwise unnecessary physical drive, in terms of size, power requirements and other issues. That's a lot of effort for a secondary feature of a system.

But again, this whole debate seems rather pointless to me since they will be sticking with discs in all likelihood anyway.


1. Most expensive on an inexpensive system doesn't mean much, and that's launch costs.

2. It's not moot just because you think it is. They actually have to do it, not you thinking they would.



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Mr Khan said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Squilliam said:

It definately makes sense for them to use Blu Ray. It's probably the cheapest way to get dense, higher speed media without resorting to flash.


What if they do resort to it?

Publisher revolt, most likely. N64-style, since then it would end up costing a lot more per unit to physically make the Cafe games (and we know that Nintendo requires more financial input on the publisher's part to make games for their console period than Sony or Microsoft do, so nothing would exist to alleviate those costs)


That "style" can't happen, because flash cards are not the old kind of carts.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
Mr Khan said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Squilliam said:

It definately makes sense for them to use Blu Ray. It's probably the cheapest way to get dense, higher speed media without resorting to flash.


What if they do resort to it?

Publisher revolt, most likely. N64-style, since then it would end up costing a lot more per unit to physically make the Cafe games (and we know that Nintendo requires more financial input on the publisher's part to make games for their console period than Sony or Microsoft do, so nothing would exist to alleviate those costs)


That "style" can't happen, because flash cards are not the old kind of carts.

True, though you'd still see greater expense that would fall entirely to the publishers, and we know how bratty they can be about this sort of thing.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:

It was the most expensive component in the system at launch according to this breakdown. Even if the same component costs $10 today it is still a considerable addition to the cost of hardware, not to mention the effort that would have to go into designing the new console around the inclusion of an otherwise unnecessary physical drive, in terms of size, power requirements and other issues. That's a lot of effort for a secondary feature of a system.

But again, this whole debate seems rather pointless to me since they will be sticking with discs in all likelihood anyway.


1. Most expensive on an inexpensive system doesn't mean much, and that's launch costs.

2. It's not moot just because you think it is. They actually have to do it, not you thinking they would.

Fair enough. I've explained my side of the argument, though. What is your reasoning to believe they would go with flash and have a built-in optical drive for b/c?

Other than, because it's cool. 'Cause I agree with you that it is insanely cool but it just seems too much like wishful thinking to me. If you don't think Nintendo would go for a hard-drive then to me this makes even less sense.

edit: btw if you're interested I'd be willing to wager a bet, for fun. Loser treats winner to 800 points at the Nintendo shop, or something. We should know enough details by the end of E3.



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gumby_trucker said:
TomaTito said:

For next genration I'd like to hear the fan instead of the optical drive.

LOL

Maybe some clever engineers can build a fan that when rotating produces similar tones to that of an optical drive, and then program it to operate half a phase out of sync with whatever speed the drive is doing at that moment

Free Noise Cancellation FTW!!

That would be great! Although you'd have to find a very noisy fan for that to work xD



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LordTheNightKnight said:
Dr.Grass said:
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Viper1 said:

  PS3 wouldn't match the fill rate of 3 high end cards from 2002-2003.  Not even close.


PS3 RSX GPU fillrate 4000 MP/s pixel 12000 MT/s texture Nvidia's most powerful GPU as of 1st of jan 2004 3800 MP/s 3800 MT/s


Viper, I'm forced now to not take anything you say seriously again. You just don't know what your talking about and somehow showing off as an expert.


Viper1 was discussing a graphical leap, not a raw numbers leap. And Moore's law hit a brick wall years ago, which is why multi-core processors are the major advancements instead of processor speed.


Then he shouldn't start using numbers in his arguments. And the raw numbers go hand in hand with the graphical leap so what's your point?

Moore's law hasn't hit a brick wall. The fact that multiple processors are used doesn't take away from the fact that the processing speeds of pc's have gone way up in accordance with the the law.