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Wii below 60% market share in Japan, where will it finish?

70% 5 5.49%
 
65% 2 2.20%
 
60% 4 4.40%
 
55% 29 31.87%
 
50% 28 30.77%
 
45% 23 25.27%
 
Total:91

ps3 should outsell wii big time this year i don't know about lifetime though looks pretty close



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mchaza said:
Conegamer said:
mchaza said:
SaviorX said:
Gilgamesh said:

I think around the end the Wii and PS3 are going to be damn close for Japan sales. Both very roughly around 15 million.


??? lol

PSTriple has been around about 4.5 years now an is just about to hit 6.5 million units. How long is it gonna take for that other 8-8.5m to come around?

Shoot, Wii is probably gonna peter out at 13.75m.......


ps3 has around 5 years more to go before ps4 even then it will be continued for around few more years. so it possible for the PS3 to reach 15 million in japan. But for the wii i doubt it because the Wii2 will release next year and halt sales but its possible. 

You just keep telling yourself that...

Its past its peak now and is in decline. And there's few great games on the horizon that will appeal to the Japanese market. 

I see the PS4 being out in 2013/2014, not 2016/2017 as many people predict. No way can it get more than 40% market share in Japan, even if Wii stopped selling now it would only just about reach that milestone...

So Wii will be at around 62%, PS3 around 32% and 360 around 6% IMO

if the ps3 sells 20,000 an week for 5 years it will sell 5.2 million. 

sure i might of been optimitic for it to reach 15 million but 10 million sure. 

But what are the chances, no matter how slim, it sells 20k a week for the next 5 years?

Let's also assume that, on average, Wii sells around 15k for the next 3 years, and 10k after that (including holidays). Using your logic (which sounds unlikely) The gap over the nexy 5 years will close by around 2million, if that.

So the market share for both won't change dramatically. Those people who are saying it'll drop below 45% are insane



 

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Soriku said:
Gilgamesh said:

I think around the end the Wii and PS3 are going to be damn close for Japan sales. Both very roughly around 15 million.


The PS3 is going to more than double what it sold in 4 years despite less heavy hitters than what it's already got? Uh, OK...

PS3 is selling better then it ever has and also has eliminated one of it's biggest competitions, the Wii. Week after week it's easily the best selling home console. Any big games now would make huge spikes in hardware sales unlike anything before, like price cuts, Metal Gear Solid games, Final Fantasy games, Slimmer model (oh it's coming) etc.

The PS3 may not passd the Wii but I say it'll be within 1 - 2 million away from it.



hunter_alien said:

3rd party Wii support is dead in japan. How in the world could the Wii get back any marketshare at all. And DQ10... well lets see where that one goes, I doubt it will stay Wii exclusive in japan, seeing how piss-poor software sales are. If it does, it will be one of the worst selling main DQ game.


*looks at NSMBW and Wii Sports sales*

Uh-huh. Sure, why not?

Seriously, almost any game that sells over 500k can sell a hell lot in Japan on Wii. It's a "big-hit" based market. DQ, by nature, will be a "big hit" and will easily live up to franchise standards. You'd be crazy to expect it to sell under 2m in Japan. On top of that, it's almost certain to be the best selling DQ outside of Japan if it stays Wii-exclusive 'cause Nintendo will advertise it so no way it'll be lower than 2m.

Heck, if a DQ spin-off can sell 500k, ain't 2m guaranteed for the real thing?

On topic, I'd expect some 50-55% at the very least. Wii isn't nearly as dead as most people/PS3 fans seem to think.



 

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I don't think it will reach 15 million like Gilgamesh says but there's something being overlooked. People here are forgetting how painfully slow of a start PS3 had. I even made a thread about it about it last year. In 2010 PS3 sold more in about 8 months than it did in the entirety of 2008. Saying that it won't double its sales neglects to take that fact into account. If PS3 gets a real price cut this year and Ninokuni and FFXIII-2 push a respectable amount of HW PS3 could come close to selling this year what it sold in 2007 and 2008 combined (2,219,450). In regards to Wii marketshare, I think it will end a bit over 50%.



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Soriku said:
Gilgamesh said:
Soriku said:
Gilgamesh said:

I think around the end the Wii and PS3 are going to be damn close for Japan sales. Both very roughly around 15 million.


The PS3 is going to more than double what it sold in 4 years despite less heavy hitters than what it's already got? Uh, OK...

PS3 is selling better then it ever has and also has eliminated one of it's biggest competitions, the Wii. Week after week it's easily the best selling home console. Any big games now would make huge spikes in hardware sales unlike anything before, like price cuts, Metal Gear Solid games, Final Fantasy games, Slimmer model (oh it's coming) etc.

The PS3 may not passd the Wii but I say it'll be within 1 - 2 million away from it.


The PS3 has had FF, MGS, Tales, RE5, Yakuza, GT5, WKC, DMC, multiple price cuts, Slim model, Torne, etc. With all that it's still only at 6.3 mil, a huge distance from 15 mil. The biggest pusher of the PS3 is probably the Slim and that came out over a year ago. There really isn't much they could do that could possibly topple what they've already done for the PS3 in the last 4 years. Game spikes won't be enough to bring it to 15 mil.

And the PS3 is outselling the Wii right now...but in a normal week it's give or take by 10k. There's a big 5 mil gap and last year, a crucial year since that's after the Slim was released, it only sold 1.55 mil. I don't think the PS3 is up YoY or anything so how is the PS3 going to make up this huge gap especially since it's not like the Wii's stopped selling. Ditto for 15 mil.

PS3 is down 34k Yoy
Wii is down 175k YoY

Wii was selling at the 35 - 30k level until the end of March, it will now be lucky to sell above the 10k level for the entire Month of March.

PS3 will also be losing sales YoY, but not as many since it's soon getting some big games. In March alone it's getting Way of the Samurai 4, Dynasty Warriors 6, Yakuza: Of the End, Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 and Dynasty Warriors Troy. As well as a handfull of smaller to medium games. Wii is only getting 2 games that will be lucky to sell 20k LT. I'd say that Wii is in a very tough position as 3rd parties are not developing for it anymore. PS3 still has after this March many big games coming up like a new Metal Gear, 3 Final Fantasies (FFXIII-2, FFvsXIII, FFXIV), a new DMC, Ni No Kuni, new iterations of Powerful Pro Baseball and Winning Eleven, a new Tales of game, a new Tekken game, 2 Street Fighter vs Tekken games, a new Ace Combat, Dark Souls, Ni-Oh, a new Armored Core game, The Last Guardian, etc.

Wii only has DQX, Inazuma Eleven, Zelda, Rythm Heaven and Kirby as big games.

I'm sure both machines will also get new price cuts, bundles and colors.

But looking at the above, since Wii is getting an average of 2 new games/month and the announcements are running out, I can only see the Wii dropping more than 50% YoY. PS3 will probably be down as well, but about 10% or so. This is the Wii's last year in Japan as a meaningful console. There simply aren't anymore games coming out and devs are not announcing games anymore either since late 2009.



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My guess is we'll see each end up around...

Wii: 13m

PS3: 9m

360: 2m

 

... so about 54% for Wii.  Which is weirdly, probably the best ratio it'll have worldwide, despite Japan being it's weakest market in actuality. :/



trestres said:

PS3 is down 34k Yoy
Wii is down 175k YoY

Wii was selling at the 35 - 30k level until the end of March, it will now be lucky to sell above the 10k level for the entire Month of March.

PS3 will also be losing sales YoY, but not as many since it's soon getting some big games. In March alone it's getting Way of the Samurai 4, Dynasty Warriors 6, Yakuza: Of the End, Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 and Dynasty Warriors Troy. As well as a handfull of smaller to medium games. Wii is only getting 2 games that will be lucky to sell 20k LT. I'd say that Wii is in a very tough position as 3rd parties are not developing for it anymore. PS3 still has after this March many big games coming up like a new Metal Gear, 3 Final Fantasies (FFXIII-2, FFvsXIII, FFXIV), a new DMC, Ni No Kuni, new iterations of Powerful Pro Baseball and Winning Eleven, a new Tales of game, a new Tekken game, 2 Street Fighter vs Tekken games, a new Ace Combat, Dark Souls, Ni-Oh, a new Armored Core game, The Last Guardian, etc.

Wii only has DQX, Inazuma Eleven, Zelda, Rythm Heaven and Kirby as big games.

I'm sure both machines will also get new price cuts, bundles and colors.

But looking at the above, since Wii is getting an average of 2 new games/month and the announcements are running out, I can only see the Wii dropping more than 50% YoY. PS3 will probably be down as well, but about 10% or so. This is the Wii's last year in Japan as a meaningful console. There simply aren't anymore games coming out and devs are not announcing games anymore either since late 2009.

I get the feeling NGP is going to decimate PS3 in Japan.  I mean, it basically makes PS3 wholly unnecessary from a Japanese perspective given it does about everything PS3 does but in handheld form, and that feeling will only intensify if it gets much of the same games.  Next year PS3 will likely see Wii-like declines, the year after it'll have negligible sales (and probably a successor looming).

Also, I'd say the vast majority of the games you listed don't qualify as "big" (and some, like another Powapuro, don't even exist yet).  A good threshold for that would be 500k, and as far as that we've got...

PlayStation 3

  • Final Fantasy XIII-2 (likely 1m plus)
  • Final Fantasy Versus XIII (likely 1m plus, 2012 or later)
  • Yakuza: Of the End
  • Metal Gear Solid Rising (2012)
  • Ninokuni: The Queen of Sacred White Ash (maybe)
  • Tales of Xillia (maybe)

Wii

  • Dragon Quest X (likely 3m plus, possibly 2012)
  • The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
  • Rhythm Heaven Wii
  • Kirby Wii
  • Just Dance 2 (maybe)
  • Inazuma Eleven Strikers (maybe)
...to be honest, right now it looks like the vast majority of Japan's future 500k plus sellers are headed to 3DS and (maybe) NGP.


I see it more like 

32% for the Wii

16% for the PS3 

52% for the x360. 

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jarrod said:
trestres said:

PS3 is down 34k Yoy
Wii is down 175k YoY

Wii was selling at the 35 - 30k level until the end of March, it will now be lucky to sell above the 10k level for the entire Month of March.

PS3 will also be losing sales YoY, but not as many since it's soon getting some big games. In March alone it's getting Way of the Samurai 4, Dynasty Warriors 6, Yakuza: Of the End, Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 and Dynasty Warriors Troy. As well as a handfull of smaller to medium games. Wii is only getting 2 games that will be lucky to sell 20k LT. I'd say that Wii is in a very tough position as 3rd parties are not developing for it anymore. PS3 still has after this March many big games coming up like a new Metal Gear, 3 Final Fantasies (FFXIII-2, FFvsXIII, FFXIV), a new DMC, Ni No Kuni, new iterations of Powerful Pro Baseball and Winning Eleven, a new Tales of game, a new Tekken game, 2 Street Fighter vs Tekken games, a new Ace Combat, Dark Souls, Ni-Oh, a new Armored Core game, The Last Guardian, etc.

Wii only has DQX, Inazuma Eleven, Zelda, Rythm Heaven and Kirby as big games.

I'm sure both machines will also get new price cuts, bundles and colors.

But looking at the above, since Wii is getting an average of 2 new games/month and the announcements are running out, I can only see the Wii dropping more than 50% YoY. PS3 will probably be down as well, but about 10% or so. This is the Wii's last year in Japan as a meaningful console. There simply aren't anymore games coming out and devs are not announcing games anymore either since late 2009.

I get the feeling NGP is going to decimate PS3 in Japan.  I mean, it basically makes PS3 wholly unnecessary from a Japanese perspective given it does about everything PS3 does but in handheld form, and that feeling will only intensify if it gets much of the same games.  Next year PS3 will likely see Wii-like declines, the year after it'll have negligible sales (and probably a successor looming).

Also, I'd say the vast majority of the games you listed don't qualify as "big" (and some, like another Powapuro, don't even exist yet).  A good threshold for that would be 500k, and as far as that we've got...

PlayStation 3

 

  • Final Fantasy XIII-2 (likely 1m plus)
  • Final Fantasy Versus XIII (likely 1m plus, 2012 or later)
  • Yakuza: Of the End
  • Metal Gear Solid Rising (2012)
  • Ninokuni: The Queen of Sacred White Ash (maybe)
  • Tales of Xillia (maybe)

Wii

 

  • Dragon Quest X (likely 3m plus, possibly 2012)
  • The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
  • Rhythm Heaven Wii
  • Kirby Wii
  • Just Dance 2 (maybe)
  • Inazuma Eleven Strikers (maybe)
...to be honest, right now it looks like the vast majority of Japan's future 500k plus sellers are headed to 3DS and (maybe) NGP.

Be honest, you know you are trying to make the Wii look good when there's no way to achieve that. Just Dance 2 will not sell 500k. If it does I'll stop predicting the Japanese market. Inazuma eleven won't either, I'm 100% sure. But why set the bar at 500k anyways? Those I've listed will sell 150k . Which is enough to give the console a boost or maintain its relevance.

For example you are leaving aside games like Winning Eleven 2012 or Dynasty Warriors 6 which will sell more than 400k. Also it's quite obvious that Konami is going to release Powerful Pro Baseball on the PS3 this year when you look at the sales of last year's iteration and that's the only game I've listed that hasn't been officially announced yet, don't know which other games you speak about.

I was mainly speaking about the home console situation, portables are another story. Yes, they steal games and sales, but we are debating here whether or not Wii will lose market share based on what we know of each home console's upcoming plans and games. And Wii never went sub 15k during any year before October. Lowest sales have been 10,797 on October 2010 and right now at the beginning of March Wii sales are at 11k. This year support is even more terrible than last year and if sales are this bad so soon, we can only expect bad things. Sub-10k for sure before the second half of the year.



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