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Sony's plan to usurp 3DS with their PSP2 revealed

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MaxwellGT2000 on 04 March 2011
Linkasf said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Linkasf said:
cloud1161 said:

why does everyone think that more is better.  so what if ds and 3ds have two screens, that doesnt necessarily make them better.  sometimes less is more.  besides that, all i have to say is uncharted portable > any other portable game


Stop overrating Uncharted.


Man this Uncharted NGP is made by an outsourced team and we know that turned out amazing for Ratchet and Clank and Secret Agent Clank, oh wait... truth be told my thoughts exactly sir, Uncharted is great but it's great because of the developers behind it with this own creative story and style.  Game play for Uncharted isn't that special just very solid which I've said this before in another thread today solid game play is much more than 90% of games can give.

RolStoppable said:
Gilgamesh said:

How is two screens a big advantage? I don't get it.The PSP2 screen in bigger then the combined two screens that the 3DS has.

It's not the size that matters, but how you use it.

 

Yeah and DS/3DS can double team ;D

Exactly. I love Naughty Dog, and sadly they aren't working on this Uncharted. Who knows, maybe the guys at Naughty Dog have got something up their sleeve for the NGP that we haven't seen yet.


I've yet to see one of Sonys main teams work on big handheld titles, the only one I can list off is Sony Japan working on a couple of Ape Escape titles, which were really basic stuff, not like pushing what they could do with the system.  It's hard to say if Naughty Dog will ever be put to work on a handheld title.



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mhsillen on 04 March 2011
thismeintiel said:

I think some people are highly overating the power of Nintendo franchises.  No amount of Mario or Link or Pokemon could save the fate of the N64 or the Gamecube, even if those games were good.  Nintendo has been able to dominate in the handheld business because not only have the games appealed to people, but because the HW did, too.  Before the DS was released,  Nintendo had dominated 2 handheld gens.  The closest anyone had came to them was Sega's Game Gear with 11 mil units shipped.  Now compare that with what Sony has pulled off, even with the hugely popular DS, 68 mil units shipped to date.  And when all is said and done, the PSP should sell at least as well as Nintendo's own GBA, ~80 mil.  That's pretty incredible for a company's first foray into handheld gaming against handheld gaming giant. 

Now, we have the NGP releasing this year.  Sony has carved out a good install base to sell potentially sell its new handheld to.  And if message boards are anything to go by, many are excited about the device and its capabilities.  Developers seem to be really excited about it, as well.  In other words, seeing as how people are excited by both the HW and SW of both devices, and NGP releasing around the holiday season, I think Nintendo is going to find that this time around it isn't going to be such an easy win.

You missed an important  fact

Nintendo stupidly did not release sidescrolling classics on GC or the 64. When they did on the ds and the wii they sold more than 20 mil. Why do you think the ds buried  psp.  

 

 



MessiaH on 04 March 2011
Galaki said:

We know that DS overtake PSP because of the following:

- 2 screens

- touch screen

Now, we look at known differences for where 3DS has advantages over PSP2:

- 2 screens

- 3D glasses display

 

Not only can you buy the PSP2, you can also grab a 50'' wireless TV to go with your PSP2. (You can buy a 24'' version if portability is your thing.)

Ok, so first of all, the DS didn't overtake the PSP only because of its hardware design. It overtook the PSP primarily because of its software. DS games were far more compatible with the "on the go" theme, and are MUCH more casual friendly, inviting millions of new gamers into the handheld arena. My sister never plays videogames, i was borrowing my friends DS at the time, and I had her try Professor Layton, and she was hooked. So software has a big part to do with the DS' success.

Now, you mention something about the PSP2/NGP coming with a 50" wireless TV. I mean, I am honestly not sure what to make of this idea, but it is so laughable that I am hoping you are joking. what the hell is the point of a portable device, if A) you have to hook it up to your TV at home to get the DS effect, which mind you, moving your head up and down to look at both screens is NOWHERE near as intuitive or erogonomic as shifting your eyes back and forth between 2 screens. Its not feasible, its actually ridiculous! Worse yet, B) is taking an effin flat screen TV with you on the go (BUT HEY! a 24" TV is JUST RIGHT for portability), like that's just gonna fit in your pocket or backpack. RIDICULOUS!!! can you imagine someone on a bus busting out a flat screen TV connected to his PSP? If he doesn't get mugged or murdered for that TV, God will surely strike him with lightning for being such an idiot.



Conegamer on 04 March 2011

Perhaps, however, the only thing Sony need to do to usurp, or even get close, to the 3DS is to just support it, advertise it, get great games on the system and make it having a USP/gimmick which will sell millions. And...

KEEP THE PRICE DOWN!

Seriously, if this is over $350, or even $300, at launch, its in serious trouble...

With that said, the NGP may well be the better console for many, but with no gimmick which can be easily shown in adverts, and poor brand recognition, Sony need to support this for First day to Last day for it to even be close to the 3DS (i.e. 60-40 split)



 

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Galaki on 04 March 2011
MessiaH said:

Ok, so first of all, the DS didn't overtake the PSP only because of its hardware design. It overtook the PSP primarily because of its software. DS games were far more compatible with the "on the go" theme, and are MUCH more casual friendly, inviting millions of new gamers into the handheld arena. My sister never plays videogames, i was borrowing my friends DS at the time, and I had her try Professor Layton, and she was hooked. So software has a big part to do with the DS' success.


You're contradicting yourself there.

The DS hardware is what made such software possible. They go hand in hand. Without hardware like the DS, such games wouldn't be possible. So, by saying hardware didn't matter is quite ridicously.

 

Noticed how the PSP was supposedly be killing the DS starting from its announcement up until a year after they release? The DS hardware was not realized by 3rd parties until a whole year later when the DS suddenly started kicking ass and sales sharply increased.

Again, that is made possible first by the hardware, which at the time, thought to be gimicky and DOA.



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thismeintiel on 04 March 2011
MaxwellGT2000 said:


I got to "The 3DS, in terms of graphics, truly looks like a slightly improved PSP" gave up on giving you credit and just pulled a tl;dr that's a joke and a half in of itself, no reason to even continue this debate if you're going to say stuff like that cause it won't go anywhere.

Then you missed some good points.  And please, do show me screenshots of a game on the 3DS tht is VASTLY superior to the PSP and comparable to the games we have seen so far on the NGP.



 

Grimes on 04 March 2011
thismeintiel said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:


I got to "The 3DS, in terms of graphics, truly looks like a slightly improved PSP" gave up on giving you credit and just pulled a tl;dr that's a joke and a half in of itself, no reason to even continue this debate if you're going to say stuff like that cause it won't go anywhere.

Then you missed some good points.  And please, do show me screenshots of a game on the 3DS tht is VASTLY superior to the PSP and comparable to the games we have seen so far on the NGP.

Vastly superior is your opinion. That's why your argument is flawed. The factors you consider vastly superior mean nothing to people who have other preferences.



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Beuli2 on 04 March 2011
thismeintiel said:

I think some people are highly overating the power of Nintendo franchises.  No amount of Mario or Link or Pokemon could save the fate of the N64 or the Gamecube, even if those games were good.  Nintendo has been able to dominate in the handheld business because not only have the games appealed to people, but because the HW did, too.  Before the DS was released,  Nintendo had dominated 2 handheld gens.  The closest anyone had came to them was Sega's Game Gear with 11 mil units shipped.  Now compare that with what Sony has pulled off, even with the hugely popular DS, 68 mil units shipped to date.  And when all is said and done, the PSP should sell at least as well as Nintendo's own GBA, ~80 mil.  That's pretty incredible for a company's first foray into handheld gaming against handheld gaming giant. 

Now, we have the NGP releasing this year.  Sony has carved out a good install base to sell potentially sell its new handheld to.  And if message boards are anything to go by, many are excited about the device and its capabilities.  Developers seem to be really excited about it, as well.  In other words, seeing as how people are excited by both the HW and SW of both devices, and NGP releasing around the holiday season, I think Nintendo is going to find that this time around it isn't going to be such an easy win.

There weren't Mario nor Pokémon games in the 64 or GC.



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Beuli2 on 04 March 2011
fps_d0minat0r said:

psp lost because ds's touch screen let it have good games which were unplayable on psp unless they got ported and someone managed to figure out a good control scheme.

now that psp has touch screen it will basically have every game 3ds has (and iphone and android) except much better in terms of resolution, graphics, framerate and possibly even controls since the psp has the rear touch pad too.

put that together with proper PSN support and ds is doomed.

i simply dont think 3d will be a selling factor. tv 3d will become a minimum standard the same way HD did but in the handheld market 3ds is alone.

Exactly, touch screen was the absolutely only and sole reason of the DS's sucess. Without it PSP would have crushed 5 to 1 easily.



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tendoronie67 on 04 March 2011

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