It's impossible for them to flop, Mario is Mario and Zelda is Zelda, both games are gonna be great, so why flop!?

Only thing I know is that SS will struggle to sell over 5 million.

Wow some of you guys are really good at judging by just looking at four screens! I wish I was that good!

I am ok with the SS style it looks good actually better than TP and I am looking foreword too what the new Mario has to offer. What I see is a totally different thing than Mario Galaxy. Iwata said Mario games evolve with new things so yes this will be like super Mario Galaxy noot!!!!

Now this, ah, here is a bet I would not willingly take.

In the past there was, but we broke it. Then there was another, but i personally broke that one quite by accident, but multiple times. Perhaps there should be one anew?

On topic, as you admitted it's way too soon to call on Mario 3DS. We should at least wait to see how the game plays, because making assumptions before that point is just using M3DS as a pawn in larger intra-nintendo-fanbase ideological arguments for no purpose other than to retread arguments that have already been beaten to death with no basis, and i'm rather bothered that it is being used that way already

As to Zelda, even in that case we don't know. Whatever happened to the call on the Malstromites' end for more Motion Plus content? Given what we saw in the trailers, we can infer that combat will now be deeper than it has once been before, meaningful swordfighting requiring you to think on your feet. What we can see from the trailer should only provide encouragement for broader sales rather than discouragement, and i can't see a way that one could claim to be giving the game a fair chance in terms of broader appeal, and yet feel poorly about what they saw in that trailer

And in Zelda's case though we know of the deeper combat, we know nothing of the other mechanics that might be important towards creating more mass-market appeal. We know all too little about this game overall still

Nintendo makes the games they want to make and then sell the idea to consumers. Using what the consumer wants to create a game is dangerous. Didn't you listen to the keynote? :D

Also I think Mario is going to be turning into animals in the 3DS game. Who needs suits when you can be a flying raccoon?

I would. It's in the bag, obvious etc.

If I had the chance I'd take it

Zelda SS will only bomb in Germany.

Oh wait..

I'm keeping track of this topic untill we see what the sales will really be like

snrkt, THIS is considered an informed argument?