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buglebum said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

even if he wins he won't be able to use PSN and for all his efforts Sony will continue to find ways around them, him, and whoever else tries to hack PS3 systems.


Talk about missing the point entirely.

 

Along with nearly everyone else in this thread.

 

Mr Jackson, could you change the way you spell "sales" from the way you currently spell it as "sells".

 

"Sells" isn't a real word in the context you use it all the time in. You or I can "sell" something, The collective term is "sales", no matter how often you deliberately mis-spell it.

Thanx

its the way its been said on VGC since i got here. i've already been asked to change it from sales theres no going back now.

 as for the rest of your post blah blah blah i missed no point i made my own statement ask a question and got no answer, and now i don't need one.

 i don't need and definition for any words thanks but no tanks.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:

Weapons can be used to commit crimes and weapons manufacturers perfectly know it and everybody knows it.

So:

  • Weapons should be banned
  • Weapons manufacturers should be condemned as accomplices of countless crimes

  • The sale of weapons to the public is actually heavilly controlled if not forbidden in most the Western world.

    There is only one main country still clinging to this idea that minute men have to be ready to grab their guns from the closet and form militia to defend the country in case of attack..

    Weapons makers are not condemned because goverments have use for them to provide their army..( same reason it isn't ok to have a nuclear bomb in your backyard but it's ok for the US government to have thousands of them).



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    Actually vouchers is a good example that keeping the number protected is purely for corporate interest only. And yes, people quoted voucher numbers everywhere. I used a voucher number to peorder my 3DS because another site quoted it to everybody.

    This is why the companies regulate this, not the government. Sometimes the code can only be entered a certain amount of times before it's expired. Any company that doesn't only has itself to blame.

    Now think about this. If this whole numbering crap would indeed be protected by law, why the hell would Sony go to such lengths to protect it? In that definition, they would be waving the number around exclaiming, "Just try it. I dare you!"

    perhaps at first they naively (or stupidly, in hindsight) thought they'd done a pretty good job with security and didn't need to go through all the fuss and bother.  now of course, they realise otherwise and are going to try their damnedest vs Geohot & co lol



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    Ail said:
    Alby_da_Wolf said:

    Weapons can be used to commit crimes and weapons manufacturers perfectly know it and everybody knows it.

    So:

  • Weapons should be banned
  • Weapons manufacturers should be condemned as accomplices of countless crimes

  • The sale of weapons to the public is actually heavilly controlled if not forbidden in most the Western world.

    There is only one main country still clinging to this idea that minute men have to be ready to grab their guns from the closet and form militia to defend the country in case of attack..

    Weapons makers are not condemned because goverments have use for them to provide their army..( same reason it isn't ok to have a nuclear bomb in your backyard but it's ok for the US government to have thousands of them).


    If I kill someone with a pen is the pen manufactur responsible? I mean I know they intended me to use it for writing, but I chose to stab someone through the eye or ear instead and killed them. Its not my fault though, someone else gave me the tools.

     

    I mean really, gehot is not accused of piracy or attacking the psn. Sony should go after the real bad guys instead of an all out assault on consumer rights.



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    superchunk said:

    While I get irritated at what his hacking has allowed on the PS3 and overall Pirating in general, I am 100% behind him in this battle.

    When you purchase any product, that product is yours. If you choose to set it on fire you can. If you choose to paint it pink with yellow dots, you can. If you choose to completely re-purpose the product via its software, you fucking can. Its yours.

    Its the same argument I have against the smart phone industry. I shouldn't have to break my warranty by rooting my Android phone just to remove all the horrible bloat ware Verizon pushes on the device. The company has a right to preinstall whatever the fuck they want, but I should not be forced to use it and have every right to remove it so I can have the device operate the way I want it to. If I go buy a Dell PC and take it home, I can relatively easily remove any preinstalled software. However, I can't on my phone?

    For some reason companies have moved into a setup where they think they have the legal right to force their consumers to use a device only the way they decide. That's BS and that's why I support Geohot is this court case.

    I want this precedent set so we the consumer will actually own our products again.

    I can't be assed to read the entire thread, so I'm glad this post was on the first page.  I absolutely and unequivocally agree with every single point made.  Well done sir...



    Ail said:
    Alby_da_Wolf said:

    Weapons can be used to commit crimes and weapons manufacturers perfectly know it and everybody knows it.

    So:

  • Weapons should be banned
  • Weapons manufacturers should be condemned as accomplices of countless crimes

  • The sale of weapons to the public is actually heavilly controlled if not forbidden in most the Western world.

    There is only one main country still clinging to this idea that minute men have to be ready to grab their guns from the closet and form militia to defend the country in case of attack..

    Weapons makers are not condemned because goverments have use for them to provide their army..( same reason it isn't ok to have a nuclear bomb in your backyard but it's ok for the US government to have thousands of them).

    Actually weapons are a lot more misused than jailbreaks, in fact, so neither jailbreaks nor GeoHot should be blamed, but just the pirates. It would be good that the judges absolve GeoHot and jailbreaks, as they already did in similar cases, but the sentence should clearly state the limits of good and fair use of the users' freedom. When someone hacks its own console, it's within his rights, but it's as much obvious that Sony has every right to ban modded consoles from its network and to take harsher measures, up to sueing them, towards users that not only break just the terms of use, but commit worse abuses damaging either Sony or other users. But this is a thing that GeoHot too agrees about, and BTW it's already granted by the current laws. But as others wrote, Sony should switch to totally server centered security, as it's a well known rule that a remote client should never be considered safe by default. What Sony did, allow a client key to easily hack servers, could have been easily considered guilty negligence if it affected a network more critical than just a gaming one.

    Also there are far more effective ways to secure a network than limiting the buyers' rights on the HW they purchase, a measure that wouldn't stop either malicious exploiters or pirates anyway, as they already act outside of the law, and wouldn't ensure an even vaguely level of security, so it's not a good thing that such a lame but dangerous attack on users' rigts is attempted, if allowed, it would only be granted to damage people without giving the boasted benefits.



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    Really sad seeing people so eager to just give away their freedoms.  Fair use is very much under attack here... the best case from a consumer view would be a ruling like the iPhone jailbreak, and a further limitation/exemption to the draconian DMCA.  Also, if manufacturers want that UELA to be so binding, it should have to be signed at the point of sale and witnessed (by the retailer).   

    If Nintendo were pulling this sort of bullshit, I'd have nothing but terrible things to say about them.  Some of you can't see the forest for the trees.