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darthdevidem01 said:

Jeez this whole Geohotz thing has been SO FUNNY! Thank you for making the start of 2011 so memorable!

It is fun, I'll tell you that. Reminds me of my early days posting at CBR ranting about meaningless outcomes of comic stories. The conversations and arguement I made to Joss Whedon's X-men was great. Everyone love it but me, my arguements to me were flawless but people just won't listen and wondered why I hated it (slow release, bad art, predictable not thought out stories).

We are all stubborn enough to never change our minds about anything once our mind has been made up and the more we argue for that case the stronger our view of it is.



Hmm, pie.

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buglebum said:
naruball said:
Khuutra said:
geddesmond2 said:


Yeah I noticed a few of the pro Xbox crowd SAID they donated some money(personally I think most of them are full of shit) but I just wonder if there beloved 360 or Wii's security was compromised like the PS3s would they be so supportive.

Personally I don't care what hackers do with the PS3 just as long as my legitimate experiance isn't ruined but thats not been the case and recent reports of how hackers can steal your information or ban anyone they like backs up the problems I'm having with this whole debate right now.

You have no idea how popular the Wii homebrew scene is, do you

Even when it has nothing to do with piracy

Correct me if I'm wrong (cuz I really don't know for sure), but do Wii hackers affect other people's online experince? Can they delete your saves or mess with you when you play online? I have a wii but I only play games offline. Also many  Wii games sell really well despite piracy since many (not most) Wii owner are quite young and do not know how to hack their consoles. I've seen a lot of shovelware or mediocre games sell a lot on wii (not as much as the good wii games), but not on 360. For example Dante's inferno, a mediocre game according to most reviewers, did not sell well at all but was the most pirated 360 game in 2010. So I guess the Wii homebrew does not affect gamers/developers the same way the 360/ps3 does.


Something like 3-4 million people have the "homebrew channel" on their wii according to the developers. Who I might add are extremly upstanding completely against piracy people.

 

I own a PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii...I'm completely pro Xbox 360, I can't stand my PS3 hardly gets used other than for the amazing exclusives that are Uncharted 2 and MGS4. Other than that it's a paper weight, I fully support modding of all hardware including consoles if at all possible.

 

The benefit of being able to play all my games off the hard drive is a great idea to me.

 

It's a shame that dick heads were cheating on PSN, but I believe that has been fixed, or will be fixed very soon so really don't see the problem. Even if it couldn't be fixed, civil rights come first over any corporate bullshit in my eyes, no matter the cost and implications.

Tough luck, would say exactly the same about Xbox 360. The difference with that is that to modifiy an Xbox 360 so it can run unsigned code is only possible on consoles around 2 years old and that haven't been updated to a dash since that time.

The hack that just allows pirate games to run can be done on ANY Xbox 360, I don't have a problem with that either.

Also, I don't remember seeing a tirade of angry little boys moaning when the first Xbox 360 DVD-ROM hack came out, or when the full jtag hack (that allowed cheating online) came out...

It's just another reason why I really dislike the PS3 in general, the whole userbase seems incredibly uninformed and brainwashed by the Sony suits. Just don't like narrow minded people like that. Yep, it's a bit sad that people influence my liking if a console in that way but the blind fanboyism on the PS3 is so bad it's very hard to not be totally turned off by it if you value forward thinking and individualism.

Ok then please forgive my ignorance once again, but how does anyone know how many people have the homebrew channel on their wii?

And this is based solely on my personal experience, but all my friends who have a 360 have hacked their console and none of the ones who have a wii have homebrew channel.

I didn't say that the only people who have a wii are children, mind you I have a wii too, but I think anyone would admit that the Wii is more family orientated/ family friendly. I know so many families who bought a Wii just for Wii fit and they have no idea what homebrew is.

I'm sorry you feel this way about Ps3 fans, but I'm pretty sure that you will find annoying fans of all 3 consoles especially in other forum that are not moderated.



fordy said:
Spankey said:




You've been clutching at straws the moment that you found out that corporate generated security keys do not follow the same rules and legislation as ISBNs and UPCs.

It's easy to say "you don't get it" when you spout nothing but illogical nonsense and defend a position that not even Sony would bother bringing up in court.

For your information, the door is open to anyone, but it wont help you unless you have a signed data file. He played by the rules that Sony themselves programmed into the PS3. He did NOT circumvent security. Circumvention of security involves finding or creating holes that should not be there. This was Sony's port for publishing content.

You honestly don't get digital legislation, do you?

oh my, hot and flustered are we?

consider the case of voucher codes.

Just because it's a string of numbers, that doesn't mean that after you have found out how they generated them then told all and sundry on the internet how to do it that it makes it ok for you, your mates and the internet to enter and claim stacks of $100 codes, does it?

The numbers are useless without a purpose. the purpose is to protect interests. letting others know how to get the numbers should be wrong.

I don't understand how you don't see this, or are you just stubborn?



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Spankey said:
fordy said:
Spankey said:
 




You've been clutching at straws the moment that you found out that corporate generated security keys do not follow the same rules and legislation as ISBNs and UPCs.

It's easy to say "you don't get it" when you spout nothing but illogical nonsense and defend a position that not even Sony would bother bringing up in court.

For your information, the door is open to anyone, but it wont help you unless you have a signed data file. He played by the rules that Sony themselves programmed into the PS3. He did NOT circumvent security. Circumvention of security involves finding or creating holes that should not be there. This was Sony's port for publishing content.

You honestly don't get digital legislation, do you?

oh my, hot and flustered are we?

consider the case of voucher codes.

Just because it's a string of numbers, that doesn't mean that after you have found out how they generated them then told all and sundry on the internet how to do it that it makes it ok for you, your mates and the internet to enter and claim stacks of $100 codes, does it?

The numbers are useless without a purpose. the purpose is to protect interests. letting others know how to get the numbers should be wrong.

I don't understand how you don't see this, or are you just stubborn?


Actually vouchers is a good example that keeping the number protected is purely for corporate interest only. And yes, people quoted voucher numbers everywhere. I used a voucher number to peorder my 3DS because another site quoted it to everybody.

This is why the companies regulate this, not the government. Sometimes the code can only be entered a certain amount of times before it's expired. Any company that doesn't only has itself to blame.

Now think about this. If this whole numbering crap would indeed be protected by law, why the hell would Sony go to such lengths to protect it? In that definition, they would be waving the number around exclaiming, "Just try it. I dare you!"



Weapons can be used to commit crimes and weapons manufacturers perfectly know it and everybody knows it.

So:

  1. Weapons should be banned
  2. Weapons manufacturers should be condemned as accomplices of countless crimes


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buglebum said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

even if he wins he won't be able to use PSN and for all his efforts Sony will continue to find ways around them, him, and whoever else tries to hack PS3 systems.


Talk about missing the point entirely.

 

Along with nearly everyone else in this thread.

 

Mr Jackson, could you change the way you spell "sales" from the way you currently spell it as "sells".

 

"Sells" isn't a real word in the context you use it all the time in. You or I can "sell" something, The collective term is "sales", no matter how often you deliberately mis-spell it.

Thanx

its the way its been said on VGC since i got here. i've already been asked to change it from sales theres no going back now.

 as for the rest of your post blah blah blah i missed no point i made my own statement ask a question and got no answer, and now i don't need one.

 i don't need and definition for any words thanks but no tanks.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:

Weapons can be used to commit crimes and weapons manufacturers perfectly know it and everybody knows it.

So:

  • Weapons should be banned
  • Weapons manufacturers should be condemned as accomplices of countless crimes

  • The sale of weapons to the public is actually heavilly controlled if not forbidden in most the Western world.

    There is only one main country still clinging to this idea that minute men have to be ready to grab their guns from the closet and form militia to defend the country in case of attack..

    Weapons makers are not condemned because goverments have use for them to provide their army..( same reason it isn't ok to have a nuclear bomb in your backyard but it's ok for the US government to have thousands of them).



    PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

    PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

    fordy said:
     


    Actually vouchers is a good example that keeping the number protected is purely for corporate interest only. And yes, people quoted voucher numbers everywhere. I used a voucher number to peorder my 3DS because another site quoted it to everybody.

    This is why the companies regulate this, not the government. Sometimes the code can only be entered a certain amount of times before it's expired. Any company that doesn't only has itself to blame.

    Now think about this. If this whole numbering crap would indeed be protected by law, why the hell would Sony go to such lengths to protect it? In that definition, they would be waving the number around exclaiming, "Just try it. I dare you!"

    perhaps at first they naively (or stupidly, in hindsight) thought they'd done a pretty good job with security and didn't need to go through all the fuss and bother.  now of course, they realise otherwise and are going to try their damnedest vs Geohot & co lol



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    Ail said:
    Alby_da_Wolf said:

    Weapons can be used to commit crimes and weapons manufacturers perfectly know it and everybody knows it.

    So:

  • Weapons should be banned
  • Weapons manufacturers should be condemned as accomplices of countless crimes

  • The sale of weapons to the public is actually heavilly controlled if not forbidden in most the Western world.

    There is only one main country still clinging to this idea that minute men have to be ready to grab their guns from the closet and form militia to defend the country in case of attack..

    Weapons makers are not condemned because goverments have use for them to provide their army..( same reason it isn't ok to have a nuclear bomb in your backyard but it's ok for the US government to have thousands of them).


    If I kill someone with a pen is the pen manufactur responsible? I mean I know they intended me to use it for writing, but I chose to stab someone through the eye or ear instead and killed them. Its not my fault though, someone else gave me the tools.

     

    I mean really, gehot is not accused of piracy or attacking the psn. Sony should go after the real bad guys instead of an all out assault on consumer rights.