News Just in it has a DVD drive... Hold on you are going to have to explain why you think that is a problem. I have yet to see how the lack of Blu Ray affected sales and I fail to see how it will affect it going forward. The PS3 having a Blu Ray drive does not actually make it a requirement to succeed or indeed be future proof.

I still wonder in amazement at people who feel digital distribution will become the standard within a decade or 2.  We have had the internet and downloadable mp3s for over a decade, yet CDs are still produced to this day and they came out in the 80's.  If anything DD and Blu-ray will co-exist.  Bluray will be used by most for buying movies and will most likely be used in one form or another in gaming consoles nex gen.  And DD will be mostly used for rentals and smaller Live/PSN games, like it is today.  If you look at the sales of DVD plus Blu-ray vs. DD, you'll see that the majority of people prefer physical formats.  Not the oppisite, as you suggested.

The cold hard fact is DD doesn't match the quality of video and sound of a Blu-ray for movies.  It may say 720p or 1080p, but it is still more compressed than the info found on a Blu-ray.  Granted it is getting better, but it still leaves the another thing stopping DD from completely taking over, internet speeds.  There is over 40 % of people in the US who do not have a form of high speed internet in their homes.  They are not going to want to download HD movies for hours, maybe even days.  And if nearly half of US is lacking high speed internet, then the numbers have to be much smaller in the smaller countries around the world.  Of course, you will always have people, like me, who prefer owning a physical copy of their game.  No worrying about your HDD crashing and/or the compnay providing said content going out of business when you wish to redownload your movies/games.

And Blu-ray is definitely a better tech than DVDs.  All Blu-rays are covered in a scratch resistant coating for added protection.  A Blu-ray also reads more data per sec than a DVD (36 Mbits/s vs. 10.5 Mbits/s).  This means the disc can spin at a lower speed, but read more info quickly, resulting in lower heat output and energy usage.  Also, a DVD is a variable speed format, so it actually reads at different speeds throughout the disc and its max speed is mostly never realized.  Blu-ray, on the other hand, reads at a constant speed throughout the entire disc.  Here's a graph to compare the speed improvements. 

As you can see, if a console has a 3x drive, it would hold its own against a 12x DVD player.  My guess it that the PS4 will have a 4x,6x, or even 8x Blu-ray drive.  This will allow games to have large amounts of content, while also helping eliminate load times.  With the next gen consoles pumping put out even more graphical and audio content in each game, this space and speed is going to be required.  You would be quite foolish to believe anyone is going to stick with DVD next gen.  Not only would they look outdated, but no one will put up with a mandatory 2-3 DVDs required for each game.  And that would be just as foolish as going DD only.  No one will want to keep swapping out HDD's every few games they play.  And then what happens if your HDD crashes and that content is no longer available online?  Gone forever.

Also, where in the world did you get the idea MS makes money off of Blu-ray?  If that was the case, don't you think they would have supported by now, and definitely instead of HD-DVD?

I would not maybe suggest HD DVD was better although it certainly had advantages over Blu Ray BUT it was the better option for the consumer just not at the time for the DRM dreaming publishers who saw better strength in Blu Ray. It also helped that Sony had a big foot in this area. 

For me the worst thing Sony did this generation is kill off HD DVD a format that had real potential to hit the market early and with double sided discs the opportunity to accommodate the DVD market.

Demonslayersoultaker said:

Uncharted 2, Infamous, God of War 3, Yakuza 3, LAIR (better AI impossible on 360, despite what you'll say about the reviews) ect. and yes you are and yes you do but there is none so just admit I'm right 

What proof do you need?

Also what games on 360 need installing?

Also purely conjecture for AI, I just did a search through the forums, so far it seems Gears of War, Half-Life 1 (for the time) and 2 (with better maps) Halo 3, Fear 1 and 2 (was surprisingly good).

Do a forum search and take of your rose coloured glasses for a minute. AI has nothing to do with space, it has to do with how good the programmers are at AI.

Sony didn't kill off HD-DVD.  Consumers made the choice and HD-DVD lost.  As far as the DVD market goes, Blu-ray does accomodate them.  All the players are B/C, you know.  And many movie studios are including Blu-ray and DVD versions in the same case, with little to no extra cost.

This is like the Sega guys who despise them for "killing" the Dreamcast.  If the Dreamcast was the best option, people would have bought into it more.  However, consumer choice, as well as Sega's poor management decisions, are what killed the Dreamcast (and Sega's turn in the console biz).  You can't go around blaming the competition for your prefered format/console's demise.