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amp316 said:

They better not replace Johnny with that stupid robot again.  Am I the only one that remembers the robot? 

Boy am I old...

You mean the original Human Torch? Or a different one?

I read comics, well, Marvel comic. But death in the MU has become redundent. Many characters can easily come back to life due to many amount of ways, as we've seen even with Cap. It's a shame as there are many characters killed nowadays to make stories good.

Recent 2nd Coming in X-men saw the death of 2 major characters and a few others as well. All needless and pointless because writers and editors cannot think of ways to make stories cool anymore. Their only solution is deaths. Meaningless ones at that.

EDIT: I for one am not reading Thanos Imperative book but know of it the Space events have been very bad for this whole 'have a death to make the story more prominent or threatening.' Their total disregard for the characters and the creators of them is somewhat disturbing. Marvel might approve a death but what of the original creator?

Infact I'd go to say deaths in comics make me angry because i feel it's the last resort of a writer to make his story count.



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The Fury said:
amp316 said:

They better not replace Johnny with that stupid robot again.  Am I the only one that remembers the robot? 

Boy am I old...

You mean the original Human Torch? Or a different one?

I read comics, well, Marvel comic. But death in the MU has become redundent. Many characters can easily come back to life due to many amount of ways, as we've seen even with Cap. It's a shame as there are many characters killed nowadays to make stories good.

Recent 2nd Coming in X-men saw the death of 2 major characters and a few others as well. All needless and pointless because writers and editors cannot think of ways to make stories cool anymore. Their only solution is deaths. Meaningless ones at that.

X-men titles are overcrowded with mutants, so you can off them quite easy without consequences. Although i miss that fuzzy bastard.. Cosmic Marvel on the other side. (From Annihilation and so.) handled quite well deaths and returns creating quite an epic saga. It depends on the story if a death is meaningful.

 

Edit: Heroes are owned by the companies , not their creators. And just read Death of Captain Marvel by Jim Starlin or Silver Surfer:Reqviem to see how death can forward good stories.



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VonShigsy said:
The Fury said:
amp316 said:

They better not replace Johnny with that stupid robot again.  Am I the only one that remembers the robot? 

Boy am I old...

You mean the original Human Torch? Or a different one?

I read comics, well, Marvel comic. But death in the MU has become redundent. Many characters can easily come back to life due to many amount of ways, as we've seen even with Cap. It's a shame as there are many characters killed nowadays to make stories good.

Recent 2nd Coming in X-men saw the death of 2 major characters and a few others as well. All needless and pointless because writers and editors cannot think of ways to make stories cool anymore. Their only solution is deaths. Meaningless ones at that.

X-men titles are overcrowded with mutants, so you can off them quite easy without consequences. Although i miss that fuzzy bastard.. Cosmic Marvel on the other side. (From Annihilation and so.) handled quite well deaths and returns creating quite an epic saga. It depends on the story if a death is meaningful.

Edit: Heroes are owned by the companies , not their creators. And just read Death of Captain Marvel by Jim Starlin or Silver Surfer:Reqviem to see how death can forward good stories.

In the case of X-men, it does feel like they kill for the sake of the story not because it matters. In exchange for some of the best characters X-men has ever received (some worthy of actually being called heroes) we get a reject character by Whedon, a Wolverine ripoff without male reproductive organs (aka Murder Girl) and countless other useless 'kids'.

In Cosmic, I'm not just disappointed by the choice of deaths they have done but the number is so vast, it's starting to get silly. Moondragon died only to come back to life to see her girlfriend die too, I mean come on. 

Stories around death can be great and if written well and their sacrifice just then I'm all for it but the current climate of deaths is not something I approve of.



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The Fury said:
VonShigsy said:
The Fury said:
amp316 said:

They better not replace Johnny with that stupid robot again.  Am I the only one that remembers the robot? 

Boy am I old...

You mean the original Human Torch? Or a different one?

I read comics, well, Marvel comic. But death in the MU has become redundent. Many characters can easily come back to life due to many amount of ways, as we've seen even with Cap. It's a shame as there are many characters killed nowadays to make stories good.

Recent 2nd Coming in X-men saw the death of 2 major characters and a few others as well. All needless and pointless because writers and editors cannot think of ways to make stories cool anymore. Their only solution is deaths. Meaningless ones at that.

X-men titles are overcrowded with mutants, so you can off them quite easy without consequences. Although i miss that fuzzy bastard.. Cosmic Marvel on the other side. (From Annihilation and so.) handled quite well deaths and returns creating quite an epic saga. It depends on the story if a death is meaningful.

Edit: Heroes are owned by the companies , not their creators. And just read Death of Captain Marvel by Jim Starlin or Silver Surfer:Reqviem to see how death can forward good stories.

In the case of X-men, it does feel like they kill for the sake of the story not because it matters. In exchange for some of the best characters X-men has ever received (some worthy of actually being called heroes) we get a reject character by Whedon, a Wolverine ripoff without male reproductive organs (aka Murder Girl) and countless other useless 'kids'.

In Cosmic, I'm not just disappointed by the choice of deaths they have done but the number is so vast, it's starting to get silly. Moondragon died only to come back to life to see her girlfriend die too, I mean come on. 

Stories around death can be great and if written well and their sacrifice just then I'm all for it but the current climate of deaths is not something I approve of.

I don't know, I liked the Moondragon/Martyr storyline. It did flex their character a besided the "obligatory lesbian superheroines" that every comic company owns. And the whole point of Guardians of the Galaxy was that when c-list superheroes tackle Cosmic threats, death is on the table every moment. Otherwise those characters would have remained forgotten in obscurity.



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VonShigsy said:
The Fury said:
VonShigsy said:

X-men titles are overcrowded with mutants, so you can off them quite easy without consequences. Although i miss that fuzzy bastard.. Cosmic Marvel on the other side. (From Annihilation and so.) handled quite well deaths and returns creating quite an epic saga. It depends on the story if a death is meaningful.

Edit: Heroes are owned by the companies , not their creators. And just read Death of Captain Marvel by Jim Starlin or Silver Surfer:Reqviem to see how death can forward good stories.

In the case of X-men, it does feel like they kill for the sake of the story not because it matters. In exchange for some of the best characters X-men has ever received (some worthy of actually being called heroes) we get a reject character by Whedon, a Wolverine ripoff without male reproductive organs (aka Murder Girl) and countless other useless 'kids'.

In Cosmic, I'm not just disappointed by the choice of deaths they have done but the number is so vast, it's starting to get silly. Moondragon died only to come back to life to see her girlfriend die too, I mean come on. 

Stories around death can be great and if written well and their sacrifice just then I'm all for it but the current climate of deaths is not something I approve of.

I don't know, I liked the Moondragon/Martyr storyline. It did flex their character a besided the "obligatory lesbian superheroines" that every comic company owns. And the whole point of Guardians of the Galaxy was that when c-list superheroes tackle Cosmic threats, death is on the table every moment. Otherwise those characters would have remained forgotten in obscurity.

Moondragon was always a popular extra character to include in books and Silver Surfer, while not big enough to hold his own book nowadays, is still huge and a true Marvel powerhouse. Many of those characters were once A List, yet I feel they've been relegated to one off yearly specials away from their usual connections with it's own disconnection to Marvel Earth. As though the earth based characters care little for their friends out in the cosmos. Xavier being a very obvious one.

You do seem to know more about the cosmic events then me, I only having read Annihilation (not conquest) but I heard about goings on in the books. The lastest one being very odd in my mind, not knowing what occured obviously.



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The Fury said:
VonShigsy said:
The Fury said:
VonShigsy said:

X-men titles are overcrowded with mutants, so you can off them quite easy without consequences. Although i miss that fuzzy bastard.. Cosmic Marvel on the other side. (From Annihilation and so.) handled quite well deaths and returns creating quite an epic saga. It depends on the story if a death is meaningful.

Edit: Heroes are owned by the companies , not their creators. And just read Death of Captain Marvel by Jim Starlin or Silver Surfer:Reqviem to see how death can forward good stories.

In the case of X-men, it does feel like they kill for the sake of the story not because it matters. In exchange for some of the best characters X-men has ever received (some worthy of actually being called heroes) we get a reject character by Whedon, a Wolverine ripoff without male reproductive organs (aka Murder Girl) and countless other useless 'kids'.

In Cosmic, I'm not just disappointed by the choice of deaths they have done but the number is so vast, it's starting to get silly. Moondragon died only to come back to life to see her girlfriend die too, I mean come on. 

Stories around death can be great and if written well and their sacrifice just then I'm all for it but the current climate of deaths is not something I approve of.

I don't know, I liked the Moondragon/Martyr storyline. It did flex their character a besided the "obligatory lesbian superheroines" that every comic company owns. And the whole point of Guardians of the Galaxy was that when c-list superheroes tackle Cosmic threats, death is on the table every moment. Otherwise those characters would have remained forgotten in obscurity.

Moondragon was always a popular extra character to include in books and Silver Surfer, while not big enough to hold his own book nowadays, is still huge and a true Marvel powerhouse. Many of those characters were once A List, yet I feel they've been relegated to one off yearly specials away from their usual connections with it's own disconnection to Marvel Earth. As though the earth based characters care little for their friends out in the cosmos. Xavier being a very obvious one.

You do seem to know more about the cosmic events then me, I only having read Annihilation (not conquest) but I heard about goings on in the books. The lastest one being very odd in my mind, not knowing what occured obviously.

There was a scene in Nova (the series) where he returns to Earth after the Annihlation War and Tony Stark tries to make him a registered hero. They talk, and Tony says he heard vaguely something about the event, because he had Civil War (the fight between superheroes) to deal with. Nova rips him a new one that millions have died and he only "heard" about it? No wonder everybody wants to invade Earth, humans are Jackasses.



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VonShigsy said:
Trentonater said:
VonShigsy said:
Trentonater said:

people still read the mainstream universe? 


Have fun in the upcoming storyline where ultimate spiderman dies.

ultimate comics are unpredictable but bendis wouldn't take it in an unpopular direction. spider-man already died once. 


When did Spiderman die in ultimate or mainstream universe? Ultimatum left him alive and breathing. Are you talking about Ben Reilly? He was a clone, he doesn't count.

he was presumed dead at the end of the original series and ultimatum but was revealed alive in another series.



Optimus Prime's death made me sad.

Then angry that the GI Joe movie didn't come out first.


Duke dieng made WAY more story sense then Optimus Prime... had they reversed in order, chances are Prime would of lived since Duke survived only thanks to the death of Prime.



Also, the occasional Anime death makes me sad.  Like the Dad in Deathnote, and there was another Anime I was real angry at that right at the end seemed to kill off a bunch of people I liked for no reason.  Cripes I can't quite remember the name of it though because a lot of anime's blur together.  Hughes from Full Metal Alchemist.

American Cartoons, not so much because they rarely kill people, and with comics... people ALWAYS come back.

With the exception of like.. Lian Harper... who I half feel was killed off simply because it was starting to get inconvient when she eventually had to grow up, and it screws with the timelines.

 

It's why i'm sad the Ultimate universe stalled, as much as I wasn't really a fan.

It was great when DC brought back the "Golden Age" characters during the "Silver Age" because they had Silver age characters... which meant anything could happen to the Golden age characters... and it'd stick!

 

Bruce Wayne died... and that was it.  Dick took over...  and that was it.  There was Silver age Batman, so Golden Age Batman was fine.

 

I feel that's how comic books should work honestly... you develop your characters... the results are real, and then 10-20 years down the line, create a second "reboot" universe.   Then 10-20 years later create another reboot universe and retire the  classic universe... since all the collectors of that universe will be like... 70 anyway.

 

As it is, when I do spend money to read comics, I almost always get What-Ifs, Alternate Universe stories and "Small" books like the Deadshot book and Secret Six... because it's less likely stuff will get retconned and they're more willing to make real changes cause the editors don't give a damn.



Kasz216 said:

Optimus Prime's death made me sad.

Then angry that the GI Joe movie didn't come out first.


Duke dieng made WAY more story sense then Optimus Prime... had they reversed in order, chances are Prime would of lived since Duke survived only thanks to the death of Prime.

I don't think Duke's death would have made that much of a difference. He was in no way popular as Prime. GODAMMIT HOTROD!



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