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Mr Khan on 29 January 2011

Apparently the police have indeed given up, and the Army is now being called in

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014078461_egypt30.html



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sapphi_snake on 30 January 2011
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Joelcool7 said:

Honestly Egypt would probably become a Islamic dictatorship. Minority groups are already treated like shit in Egypt if an Islamic extremist group seized power then their would be a slaughter, best case scenerio wide spread persecution worse then what is already happening.

Countries in need of a revolution are Iran, Eritrea , China , Burma... those kinds of countries need a good uprising. Egypt at the moment while not democratic is still a more moderate country then those listed. Also extremists are way to popular in Egypt!

I would also say an uprising in Gaza would be nice, see Hamas kicked out of power and Fatah take over or a more moderate government.

Also someone mentioned Lebanon as a great example. I wouldn't consider a country held hostage by terrorists a good alternative to any Government. Hezbullah kills anyone who decents they're accused of several assasinations of Lebanese dignitaries. Right now Hezbullah is taking over Lebanon. No Lebanon is not a great example!


The Muslim Brotherhood may not be entirely to my tastes, but for an Islamist party they are really very moderate. Certainly they are no Hezbollah. In any case they do not seem to be even aiming to take power after this revolution, they are merely aiming to be part of the new government - they have stated that they want any new government to be democratic.

 

It's very sad to me that so much looting and thuggery is going on in Egypt at the moment. It's not the revolutionaries that are doing it, it's opportunist scum.

I mean, can anyone point to the last time there has been a revolution or rioting WITHOUT violence and looting?

Hell Martian Luthor King Junior often had to avoid police because people would instigate violence and robbery during his peace marches.

Is he some kind of comic book character?



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huaxiong90 on 30 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:

Is he some kind of comic book character?

Hehehehehe. XD



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elticker on 30 January 2011
Kasz216 said:
elticker said:
mrstickball said:
elticker said:

btw some police forces which are remaining are using live ammunition. Also i forgut high live the egyptain army. Oh yeah and the people saying w=if we engage with israel we would get fucked in 6 october

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

we did a victory which will go in the book of every egyptain as we were technologically undermanned and israel was backed by weaponary from the usa. Also we broke the barlief defense which was the strongest defence in the o=world at that time with WATER!!

Uh, you didn't read that Wikipedia page at all, did you?

Israeli tactical victory[1] and a UN cease-fire after UNSCR 338, 339 and 340, leading to the Geneva Conference and the Sinai Interim Agreement.

Egyptian Losses:

8,000[14]–18,500[15] dead
18,000[14]-35,000[16] wounded
8,783 captured

 

Israeli Losses:

2,521[17]–2,800 dead[14]
7,250[18]-8,800[14] wounded
293 captured

 

 

 

As for the guy and the Iranian comments: When you have a countries that brutalizes its people when they want an alternative party, and fixes the elections, I don't think that you live in a free, independant country. Read the news. The elections were falsified. If you want to consider Iran fre after what happened during and after that election, then there is no way to have a rational conversation with you.


thats like saying the germans tactically won russia by killing 20 million for 3 million. This is not important the most important is the psychological aspect which we won. also what did you expect we fought against israel backed with america so that showed that we stand a chance. Also i never said egypt is a free country i said it was a dictatorship which is going through a revolution to democracy. the 6 october war redemed the ashamed arab from the 6 day war which is huge since we were humilaited for it. 

Except... you didn't win.  Everyone sees that as an Egyptian loss... except apparently Egypt.  Probably due to your dictator and propaganda ironically.

actually even israeli people see it as a loss take a look at wikipedia yum kuppar war israel setup a comittee to investigate the bad performance of the IDF 



 

 

MrBubbles on 30 January 2011
elticker said:
Kasz216 said:
elticker said:
mrstickball said:
elticker said:

btw some police forces which are remaining are using live ammunition. Also i forgut high live the egyptain army. Oh yeah and the people saying w=if we engage with israel we would get fucked in 6 october

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

we did a victory which will go in the book of every egyptain as we were technologically undermanned and israel was backed by weaponary from the usa. Also we broke the barlief defense which was the strongest defence in the o=world at that time with WATER!!

Uh, you didn't read that Wikipedia page at all, did you?

Israeli tactical victory[1] and a UN cease-fire after UNSCR 338, 339 and 340, leading to the Geneva Conference and the Sinai Interim Agreement.

Egyptian Losses:

8,000[14]–18,500[15] dead
18,000[14]-35,000[16] wounded
8,783 captured

 

Israeli Losses:

2,521[17]–2,800 dead[14]
7,250[18]-8,800[14] wounded
293 captured

 

 

 

As for the guy and the Iranian comments: When you have a countries that brutalizes its people when they want an alternative party, and fixes the elections, I don't think that you live in a free, independant country. Read the news. The elections were falsified. If you want to consider Iran fre after what happened during and after that election, then there is no way to have a rational conversation with you.


thats like saying the germans tactically won russia by killing 20 million for 3 million. This is not important the most important is the psychological aspect which we won. also what did you expect we fought against israel backed with america so that showed that we stand a chance. Also i never said egypt is a free country i said it was a dictatorship which is going through a revolution to democracy. the 6 october war redemed the ashamed arab from the 6 day war which is huge since we were humilaited for it. 

Except... you didn't win.  Everyone sees that as an Egyptian loss... except apparently Egypt.  Probably due to your dictator and propaganda ironically.

actually even israeli people see it as a loss take a look at wikipedia yum kuppar war israel setup a comittee to investigate the bad performance of the IDF 

that only demonstrates that even when performing poorly they can still win against the egyptians...not really something for you to brag about.   the egyptians lost... thats why they agreed to peace...thats why they got the sinai back...  because they accepted they were losers and could never win it back by force. 



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ssj12 on 30 January 2011
Mr Khan said:

Apparently the police have indeed given up, and the Army is now being called in

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014078461_egypt30.html


i read some military is siding with the revolution.



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Kasz216 on 31 January 2011
elticker said:
Kasz216 said:
elticker said:
mrstickball said:
elticker said:

btw some police forces which are remaining are using live ammunition. Also i forgut high live the egyptain army. Oh yeah and the people saying w=if we engage with israel we would get fucked in 6 october

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

we did a victory which will go in the book of every egyptain as we were technologically undermanned and israel was backed by weaponary from the usa. Also we broke the barlief defense which was the strongest defence in the o=world at that time with WATER!!

Uh, you didn't read that Wikipedia page at all, did you?

Israeli tactical victory[1] and a UN cease-fire after UNSCR 338, 339 and 340, leading to the Geneva Conference and the Sinai Interim Agreement.

Egyptian Losses:

8,000[14]–18,500[15] dead
18,000[14]-35,000[16] wounded
8,783 captured

 

Israeli Losses:

2,521[17]–2,800 dead[14]
7,250[18]-8,800[14] wounded
293 captured

 

 

 

As for the guy and the Iranian comments: When you have a countries that brutalizes its people when they want an alternative party, and fixes the elections, I don't think that you live in a free, independant country. Read the news. The elections were falsified. If you want to consider Iran fre after what happened during and after that election, then there is no way to have a rational conversation with you.


thats like saying the germans tactically won russia by killing 20 million for 3 million. This is not important the most important is the psychological aspect which we won. also what did you expect we fought against israel backed with america so that showed that we stand a chance. Also i never said egypt is a free country i said it was a dictatorship which is going through a revolution to democracy. the 6 october war redemed the ashamed arab from the 6 day war which is huge since we were humilaited for it. 

Except... you didn't win.  Everyone sees that as an Egyptian loss... except apparently Egypt.  Probably due to your dictator and propaganda ironically.

actually even israeli people see it as a loss take a look at wikipedia yum kuppar war israel setup a comittee to investigate the bad performance of the IDF 

No.  They saw it as a win.

They just wondered why it took them so much effort TO win.

It'd be like in Manchest United won against a League One team but only scored 1 goal.

Questions have to be answered.

For someone who wants the President gone you sure seem quick to buy into some silly nationalist propaganda that just about anyone could see is false.



Kasz216 on 31 January 2011
ssj12 said:
Mr Khan said:

Apparently the police have indeed given up, and the Army is now being called in

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014078461_egypt30.html


i read some military is siding with the revolution.


Either way he's opening talks with other parties, and the Obama is slowly shifting too "Work towards democracy."

In otherwords, dude is fucked and probably negotiating his exile.



huaxiong90 on 31 January 2011
Kasz216 said:

No.  They saw it as a win.

They just wondered why it took them so much effort TO win.

It'd be like in Manchest United won against a League One team but only scored 1 goal.

Questions have to be answered.

For someone who wants the President gone you sure seem quick to buy into some silly nationalist propaganda that just about anyone could see is false.

Agreed.

But honest question: If you're really against the idea of 'Pyhrric victories' (or whatever they call them), then I'd assume you believe that The Battle of Bunker Hill was not a victory for the colonialists in any way, correct?



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Badassbab on 31 January 2011
MrBubbles said:

that only demonstrates that even when performing poorly they can still win against the egyptians...not really something for you to brag about.   the egyptians lost... thats why they agreed to peace...thats why they got the sinai back...  because they accepted they were losers and could never win it back by force. 


In 1971 Egypt offered to sign a peace treaty with Israel if they gave the Sinai back. Israel preferred expansion over security so said no. This led to the Yom Kippur War which was a close call. The US saw it as an opportunity to bring Egypt into the US orbit and keep the Soviet troops out of the Middle East (they were threatening to intervene) so they prevented the Israelis from destroying the encircled Egyptian Third Army. They also realised that another war could break out in the future should Egypt not get the Sinai back and it was better to let them have it and normalise relations with Israel. Also Israel didn't have to worry about fighting the Arab worlds strongest military power any longer.