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Squilliam on 22 January 2011
HairlessHenry said:

Retailers: Can haz 500,000 Xbox plz?

Microsoft: Can haz 350,000 Xbox soz.

Retailers: Aww shucks. When get more?

Microsoft: Hey GUYZ we gots the shortages, MBA saiz not till next month we get you moar.

You: there are no shortages, i live in Saint Louis MO. and every where i go there tons of 360s in stock. Walmart,Bestbuy,Target! everywhere!

Me: Personally I believe Microsoft more. Your opinion on local supply is about as relevant as your weather conditions to the weather outside of my Window. Inspite of how dumb they sound, Microsoft still know more and are still probably smarter than you even on average.

 

 





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Pavolink on 22 January 2011
Squilliam said:
HairlessHenry said:

Retailers: Can haz 500,000 Xbox plz?

Microsoft: Can haz 350,000 Xbox soz.

Retailers: Aww shucks. When get more?

Microsoft: Hey GUYZ we gots the shortages, MBA saiz not till next month we get you moar.

You: there are no shortages, i live in Saint Louis MO. and every where i go there tons of 360s in stock. Walmart,Bestbuy,Target! everywhere!

Me: Personally I believe Microsoft more. Your opinion on local supply is about as relevant as your weather conditions to the weather outside of my Window. Inspite of how dumb they sound, Microsoft still know more and are still probably smarter than you even on average.

Maybe where he lives there aren't shortages. Here where I'm it's the same situation, I can find Xbox360 and Kinect everywhere.

But, I think that this occurs in few places. The majority have the shortages, but not all the world. Still, you don't have to insult him.



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daroamer on 22 January 2011
Dallinor said:
daroamer said:
Dallinor said:
bonkers555 said:
huaxiong90 said:
A203D said:
huaxiong90 said:

Those PS3 numbers in the states...it's the one missing key from ensuring second place in weekly sales.

Still, overall it's a tie, and I'm happy for every console.

What could Sony do?? they dont have half a billion to spend like Microsoft did. at least PS3 is competively doing well despite the price and marketing advantages of the other 2 home consoles.

That is up to Sony to figure out. I still think they'll have a great year. All these game releases, and a price cut (if they can afford it) would ensure healthy US sales.

Then Sony should stop wasting money on those stupid Justin Timberlake and Peyton Manning commercial.  Heck I still see more Kevin Butler commerical then both 360/Wii combined.  Its just a myth that 360 spend more on TV spots then the PS3 here in America.

The PS3 launched to a $150 million advertising campaign.

They launched a £82 million campaign across all of Europe in 2009.

They spent £14m in the UK to launch the Move over the Xmas period 2010.

Everything else available online that I could find points to small advertising budgets for titles, £1-2 million for Ratchet, Uncharted in the UK with 'multi-million dollar advertisement' launches in NA and the world. MS on the other hand spent $40 million on Halo 3 advertising. I'm aware you are speaking of America alone, but I'm just just addressing the issue as it looks worldwide. SCEE likes to show when they are spending big, but big is relative compared to MS. 

Nothing I can see points to Sony spending advertising dollars on playstation to near the same magnitude or level as MS, unless there are some financials that list what they do indeed spend, I would guess Sony spends far, far less then MS on advertising, particularly in the EU. I could be way off, but 500 million is probably the equivalent of Sony's budget for a few years worth of advertising PS3/PSP.

I would appreciate it if other posters with perhaps more knowledge on this could chime in.


You're talking £82 for just 4 months, in Europe alone.  At the time that about about $125 million dollars.   While I realize you don't spend as much in the dead months as you do over the holidays what would you think that would equate to over the whole year?  Again, we're talking 1 territory.  Include the rest of the world, how much would that be now?  200 million?  400?  For just the holidays.

We don't know how long that 500 million was set aside for or if it was worldwide or just the US. 

This isn't current but I found an article that said Sony spent $250 million for advertising the Playstation 2 and One in the US alone in 2002.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2870918.html

So it's not like Sony won't spend the money when they feel they'll get a return on it.

That £82 million was to cover advertising of the launch of the PS3 slim, and holiday advertising.

Even if you double, or even triple it to include worldwide advertising, Sony would have spent less on marketing the redesign of their console then MS did on Kinect alone.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, nothing, or nobody seems to be able to show any precise figures so it's all pretty much guesswork at best.


Again, we don't know over how long a time period that is.  Also, what advertising were they doing for the Xbox outside of Kinect?  Advertsing for Kinect WAS advertising for the 360.  That Kinect budget likely also includes the ads for the games, not just the hardware.

I don't know how you can separate Sony spending 125 million over 4 month in EU alone for the PS3 and MS spending 500 over an unknown length of time and likely worldwide. 

You already said Nintendo spent 1.4 billion over a year for the DS and Wii.  So almost 3 times what Microsoft is spending.  If that 500 was for the year do you still think it's so out of proportion with what the other 2 are spending?



Seece on 22 January 2011
Squilliam said:
HairlessHenry said:

Retailers: Can haz 500,000 Xbox plz?

Microsoft: Can haz 350,000 Xbox soz.

Retailers: Aww shucks. When get more?

Microsoft: Hey GUYZ we gots the shortages, MBA saiz not till next month we get you moar.

You: there are no shortages, i live in Saint Louis MO. and every where i go there tons of 360s in stock. Walmart,Bestbuy,Target! everywhere!

Me: Personally I believe Microsoft more. Your opinion on local supply is about as relevant as your weather conditions to the weather outside of my Window. Inspite of how dumb they sound, Microsoft still know more and are still probably smarter than you even on average.


Nice, spot on, don't waste your time on him thought he's just an alt.



 

Squilliam on 22 January 2011
Seece said:
Squilliam said:
HairlessHenry said:

Retailers: Can haz 500,000 Xbox plz?

Microsoft: Can haz 350,000 Xbox soz.

Retailers: Aww shucks. When get more?

Microsoft: Hey GUYZ we gots the shortages, MBA saiz not till next month we get you moar.

You: there are no shortages, i live in Saint Louis MO. and every where i go there tons of 360s in stock. Walmart,Bestbuy,Target! everywhere!

Me: Personally I believe Microsoft more. Your opinion on local supply is about as relevant as your weather conditions to the weather outside of my Window. Inspite of how dumb they sound, Microsoft still know more and are still probably smarter than you even on average.


Nice, spot on, don't waste your time on him thought he's just an alt.

I figured as much.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 22 January 2011

Funny how some MS fans constantly stealth troll Sony and its biggest games, get overdefensive even at the slightest and fairest criticism towards MS, even deny the right of expressing scepticism about it, constantly lurk and patrol forums to promptly debunk any data not totally sure against MS and downplay the undeniable ones, while trying to pass as much uncertain data as proven if positive towards MS, some of them even insult whomever dares opposing their beloved boss, and two or three of them, even while they are doing all this, whine at Sony trolls, play the victim and shout at every Sony fan, including the vast majority of not troll ones, that they must not play the victim. Did MS hire unemployed soviet propaganda instructors for its astroturfing courses? Surely stealth, FUD, doubleness and dezinformatsiya skills of MS trolls and astroturfers are far better than those of the mostly uncouth Sony ones.   



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ethomaz on 22 January 2011
enrageorange said:

its funny when all these people are comparing aligned GT5 sales to GT4 sales showing it is only matching the sales. Even with huge adjustments up that is not good at all. I'll give you a quick comparison. In the weeks GT5 was released Halo Reach was on its week 9 and sold between 110-300k till week 17. GT5 is at week 9 at 90k and will only continue to drop. GT5 will surely show better legs then Reach in the long run, but holiday sales are that big of a factor as you will see GT 5 week 9-17 will probably be 40-90k weekly. Had GT5 been released at the same date as GT4 while first week sales would have probably been similar, Its sales over the next 8 weeks would have been half of what they are now. Still great sales but comparing aligned sales as proof that it will sell similar amounts to GT4 is laughable.

Ok.

So which was your first prediction for GT5 sales???

And now after the amazing sales for GT5 what your new prediction???

GT5 will sell bettet than GT4 lifetime.... that's my first prediction.



M.U.G.E.N on 22 January 2011
CGI-Quality said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Funny how some MS fans constantly stealth troll Sony and its biggest games, get overdefensive even at the slightest and fairest criticism towards MS, even deny the right of expressing scepticism about it, constantly lurk and patrol forums to promptly debunk any data not totally sure against MS and downplay the undeniable ones, while trying to pass as much uncertain data as proven if positive towards MS, some of them even insult whomever dares opposing their beloved boss, and two or three of them, even while they are doing all this, whine at Sony trolls, play the victim and shout at every Sony fan, including the vast majority of not troll ones, that they must not play the victim. Did MS hire unemployed soviet propaganda instructors for its astroturfing courses? Surely stealth, FUD, doubleness and dezinformatsiya skills of MS trolls and astroturfers are far better than those of the mostly uncouth Sony ones.   

We may have a winner here!

In seriousness, some people really do need to lighten up.


oh come on...you know you were serious with that first sentence too :P



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4k1x3r on 22 January 2011
ethomaz said:
enrageorange said:

its funny when all these people are comparing aligned GT5 sales to GT4 sales showing it is only matching the sales. Even with huge adjustments up that is not good at all. I'll give you a quick comparison. In the weeks GT5 was released Halo Reach was on its week 9 and sold between 110-300k till week 17. GT5 is at week 9 at 90k and will only continue to drop. GT5 will surely show better legs then Reach in the long run, but holiday sales are that big of a factor as you will see GT 5 week 9-17 will probably be 40-90k weekly. Had GT5 been released at the same date as GT4 while first week sales would have probably been similar, Its sales over the next 8 weeks would have been half of what they are now. Still great sales but comparing aligned sales as proof that it will sell similar amounts to GT4 is laughable.

Ok.

So which was your first prediction for GT5 sales???

And now after the amazing sales for GT5 what your new prediction???

GT5 will sell bettet than GT4 lifetime.... that's my first prediction.

Hey rage thing, I bolded what catched my attention, are you aware that when you say (so proudly) that Reach sold over 100k in its 9th week and beyond that these weeks are IN HOLIDAY SEASON (no matter if it came out earlier, it was still in holiday season, hence why no significant drop in sales)... As you said until week 17, Reach's 17th week was out of holiday season, same for GT5's 7th. And see what happened.

This:

11
Gran Turismo 5 (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
8 97,152 5,319,623
29
Halo: Reach (X360)
Microsoft
18 40,769 7,652,372

The week before maybe?

11
Gran Turismo 5 (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment
7 145,976 5,222,471
27
Halo: Reach (X360)
Microsoft
17 58,372 7,611,603

Both dropped, and GT5 still outselling it.



Squilliam on 22 January 2011
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Funny how some MS fans constantly stealth troll Sony and its biggest games, get overdefensive even at the slightest and fairest criticism towards MS, even deny the right of expressing scepticism about it, constantly lurk and patrol forums to promptly debunk any data not totally sure against MS and downplay the undeniable ones, while trying to pass as much uncertain data as proven if positive towards MS, some of them even insult whomever dares opposing their beloved boss, and two or three of them, even while they are doing all this, whine at Sony trolls, play the victim and shout at every Sony fan, including the vast majority of not troll ones, that they must not play the victim. Did MS hire unemployed soviet propaganda instructors for its astroturfing courses? Surely stealth, FUD, doubleness and dezinformatsiya skills of MS trolls and astroturfers are far better than those of the mostly uncouth Sony ones.   

You took one of Pachters finest opinions and made it your own, bravo!



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