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fordy on 19 January 2011
Squilliam said:

You know guys it actually doesn't make sense. How do Sony make 1,000,000 Blu Ray discs and then give each a unique key? If it were possible to give each disc a unique key then surely the PC publishers would have done so years ago.

Unique keys arent hard to implement. GUIDs are guaranteed to be unique for quite some time to come...



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BenVTrigger on 19 January 2011
poroporo said:
dsister said:
poroporo said:


Yes, it's all Sony's fault and George Hotz is an innocent little lamb who honesty expected that his CFW would prevent pirates from playing backups.

Sony would indeed be destroying its platform by doing nothing at all. Going the serial way might not stop piracy, but all these a**holes will at least be kept offline.

And yes, producing millions of keys is very possible, just ask Microsoft. The difference with the PC world is that Sony has a private network to protect. If the integrity of PSN is compromised, then the PS3 is finished.


*looks at PS2, Wii, DS, x360* 

I don't get it...

PSN is a fundamental part of the PS3.

The PS3 is now wide open to hackers.

Hackers can/will eventually annoy the hell out of PSN users by hacking games and potientially even accounts.

If this happens to a /- large extent, then PSN will not be a pleasant/safe experience for its user base anymore.

When this happens, Sony might just release another console sooner and abandon this one. With the master key out, there is nothing except major hardware revisions that can stop hackers from doing whatever they want with the system.


Exactly....man this hack sucks for PS3. I don't know if some people realize just how bad it is that hackers have the master keys for the system.

That being said if this rumor about games haveing unique keys and rentals / borrowing from friends is going away then PS3 sales will litteraly go belly up. 



Galaki on 19 January 2011

They could just remove the ability to play games. Problem solved.



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dsister on 19 January 2011
poroporo said:

PSN is a fundamental part of the PS3.

The PS3 is now wide open to hackers.

Hackers can/will eventually annoy the hell out of PSN users by hacking games and potientially even accounts.

If this happens to a /- large extent, then PSN will not be a pleasant/safe experience for its user base anymore.

When this happens, Sony might just release another console sooner and abandon this one. With the master key out, there is nothing except major hardware revisions that can stop hackers from doing whatever they want with the system.

I'd argue that the PS3 is much more centered around the single player aspect of games then say the 360. Where XBL is one of the huge draws of the console. They can take the steps that MS has taken to keep cheaters and hackers off of it



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poroporo on 19 January 2011
dsister said:
poroporo said:

PSN is a fundamental part of the PS3.

The PS3 is now wide open to hackers.

Hackers can/will eventually annoy the hell out of PSN users by hacking games and potientially even accounts.

If this happens to a /- large extent, then PSN will not be a pleasant/safe experience for its user base anymore.

When this happens, Sony might just release another console sooner and abandon this one. With the master key out, there is nothing except major hardware revisions that can stop hackers from doing whatever they want with the system.

I'd argue that the PS3 is much more centered around the single player aspect of games then say the 360. Where XBL is one of the huge draws of the console. They can take the steps that MS has taken to keep cheaters and hackers off of it

Except that hackers can theoretically unban themselves. They _do_ have complete control over the system, remember.

Therefore, without some kind of key-based system, you can guess what's going to happen.



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Squilliam on 19 January 2011
poroporo said:
dsister said:

Looks like the Sony's destroying it's console one step at a time... xD. I feel sad that I am laughing this much. I'm tempted to believe this is false and leave it at that 

Squilliam said:

You know guys it actually doesn't make sense. How do Sony make 1,000,000 Blu Ray discs and then give each a unique key? If it were possible to give each disc a unique key then surely the PC publishers would have done so years ago.


Yes, it's all Sony's fault and George Hotz is an innocent little lamb who honesty expected that his CFW would prevent pirates from playing backups.

Sony would indeed be destroying its platform by doing nothing at all. Going the serial way might not stop piracy, but all these a**holes will at least be kept offline.

And yes, producing millions of keys is very possible, just ask Microsoft. The difference with the PC world is that Sony has a private network to protect. If the integrity of PSN is compromised, then the PS3 is finished.

Who the hell cares? It was Sony's own damn fault for screwing up so monumentally that it could have been confused for intentional.





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Doobie_wop on 19 January 2011
dsister said:
poroporo said:


Yes, it's all Sony's fault and George Hotz is an innocent little lamb who honesty expected that his CFW would prevent pirates from playing backups.

Sony would indeed be destroying its platform by doing nothing at all. Going the serial way might not stop piracy, but all these a**holes will at least be kept offline.

And yes, producing millions of keys is very possible, just ask Microsoft. The difference with the PC world is that Sony has a private network to protect. If the integrity of PSN is compromised, then the PS3 is finished.


*looks at PS2, Wii, DS, x360* 

I don't get it...

You can't be serious. Piracy does have a significant impact on those platforms, it just doesn't hurt larger games because they are aimed at a more mainstream audience that have little to do with piracy.

Using the 360 and Wii as an example, games like Alan Wake, Dante's Inferno, Prototype, Dirt 2, Punch-Out!!, Red Steel 2 and Kirby's Epic Yarn have all been hurt by piracy. These are just some of the most downloaded games, so we don't know about all those other smaller releases that have come out throughout the years that could have suffered. 

http://torrentfreak.com/call-of-duty-black-ops-most-pirated-game-of-2010-101228/

http://torrentfreak.com/the-most-pirated-games-of-2009-091227/

Due to how easy piracy is on the PS3 now (no need for hardware modifications) then it could be a much worse situation. I like that smaller releases like 3D Dot Game Heroes, Demons Soul's and White Knight Chronicles can sell well on the PS3 and I also like that games with strong single player campaigns (God of War 3, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune, Infamous and Heavy Rain) can survive in this market, the same can't be said for the 360 and Wii, which is pretty much a death-trap for shorter single player games and the niche. Piracy does affect the 360, Wii and even the PS2, just because the larger games can survive in that sort of situation, it doesn't mean that smaller releases have the same sort of chance at being at least profitable. 



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

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poroporo on 19 January 2011
Squilliam said:
poroporo said:
dsister said:

Looks like the Sony's destroying it's console one step at a time... xD. I feel sad that I am laughing this much. I'm tempted to believe this is false and leave it at that 

Squilliam said:

You know guys it actually doesn't make sense. How do Sony make 1,000,000 Blu Ray discs and then give each a unique key? If it were possible to give each disc a unique key then surely the PC publishers would have done so years ago.


Yes, it's all Sony's fault and George Hotz is an innocent little lamb who honesty expected that his CFW would prevent pirates from playing backups.

Sony would indeed be destroying its platform by doing nothing at all. Going the serial way might not stop piracy, but all these a**holes will at least be kept offline.

And yes, producing millions of keys is very possible, just ask Microsoft. The difference with the PC world is that Sony has a private network to protect. If the integrity of PSN is compromised, then the PS3 is finished.

Who the hell cares? It was Sony's own damn fault for screwing up so monumentally that it could have been confused for intentional.

So any company without a perfect security system has only itself to blame. Thieves robbing your house couldn't be blamed for doing it because you didn't happen to live in an unpenetrable fortress.



Acevil on 19 January 2011
dsister said:
poroporo said:


Yes, it's all Sony's fault and George Hotz is an innocent little lamb who honesty expected that his CFW would prevent pirates from playing backups.

Sony would indeed be destroying its platform by doing nothing at all. Going the serial way might not stop piracy, but all these a**holes will at least be kept offline.

And yes, producing millions of keys is very possible, just ask Microsoft. The difference with the PC world is that Sony has a private network to protect. If the integrity of PSN is compromised, then the PS3 is finished.


*looks at PS2, Wii, DS, x360* 

I don't get it...

You don't see the big picture. :P

In all seriousness, this is hard on sony because this isn't just piracy, but also destruction of the online platform. 



 

IllegalPaladin on 19 January 2011
Squilliam said:

You know guys it actually doesn't make sense. How do Sony make 1,000,000 Blu Ray discs and then give each a unique key? If it were possible to give each disc a unique key then surely the PC publishers would have done so years ago.


They enact a hidden feature of the blu-ray drives that lie in every person's PS3!

It burns a special ring onto the disk locking it onto the one system! o_0

Ah, remember that rumor? lol