I guess what you are trying to say is that games not made exclusively for the move should not be counted? If you do this, the kinect has the better library atm imo, but if you compare any compatible game, move clearly wins, so it all depends on what you are comparing.

Also, are you saying that Halo and ME would be rated lower if they used the kinect? Are you implying that the kinect is unable to produce high quality games? That is a pretty bold statement isn't it?(just messing with you lol, although I am curious about what you meant in that 2nd paragraph)

If all the PS3 got from 3rd parties for the first couple of years were PS2 ports would you call them PS3 titles?

If they can only be played on a PS3? Yes.

That is like saying that Sly Collection doesn't count.

Although I know where you are going here, or least I think I do. If I am correct in my thoughts then that means that all 360/PC titles do not count as 360 exclusives. Which in turn would mean that most would need to agree that LensofTruth and IGN, amongst other sites agreeing that 360 had the stronger exclusive lineup is entirely hogwash.

So if I am right than which is it? 

Do Move/Dualshock 3 titles not count as Move titles or did PS3 in fact have the better exclusive lineup for the 3rd year in a row?

It is one or the other, we can't keep making up the rules as the years go by.

In my opinion, just as transferring a DVD onto a Blu Ray disc doesn't make that a Blu Ray movie, transferring Move controls onto a pre-existing game is a little better but I don't consider them to be genuine Move titles. However all titles which share a parallel development or come after Move was released are Move titles regardless of the fact that they are also dual shock titles because they were designed with much greater care and consideration for that control scheme. I don't mind if you disagree here...

I don't care about which you consider to have had the best lineup of games, thats your personal beliefs and I want nothing to do with it. It is a needless argument which cannot be 'won' as it is entirely subjective.

That is absurd logic.  These games being better on controller is a matter of personal preference.  Much like (I hate the Xbox 360 controller and prefer the PS3 one to it).   Sure you can count great games that incorporate Move support as 'Move' games.     

Take Resident Evil for example,  I had absolutely no interest in this game when it launched.  It broke away from the standard RE formula and felt more survival horror to me from the demo than how the game used to play out.  Shortly after I bought Move,  I went out and purchased Resident Evil (Specifically for Move and won't touch it with anything else) so my brother and I can co-op through the story.    Having a ton of fun with it and couldn't see myself ever using a controller with it.    

And the reason you don't see Kinect with Halo or Mass Effect is because they CAN'T do it yet.  Not on a primary full-fledged sense. They have yet to find a way to do it intuitively.  Believe me, if Microsoft could include Kinect support in everything they most certainly would.  Move support isn't 'mini-games' in most of the games listed, it is full-fledged 100% control scheme using the Move.

I believe that games like Re5, Heavy Rain, High Velocity Bowling, etc... are originally PS3 Dualshock 3 titles with Move controls tacked on later, but still Move enabled titles.

I also believe that titles like LBP2, KZ3, Socom 4 and Heroes on the Move are MOVE titles since they were developed from the start with Move controls in mind, regardless of whether or not they contain a Dual Shock 3 control scheme.

I believe that discounting them from the Move lineup is a complete and absolutely bullshit cop out with no agenda other than to try and downplay the high quality Move lineup coming within the next 2-3 months.

Do you agree?

Everyone knows that SONY is aiming at the hardcore with the Move so it makes sense that they would also still enable to the DS3 to ensure that they do not alienate their primary base.

Discounting just about every game from here on out is ridiculous and it is obvious that if you go by this apparently skewed point of view that it would instantly make Kinect seem superior, even though it is apparent that Move, regardless of whether the controls are exclusive or not is compatible with a much larger amount of genres.

That, at the present moment, can not be debated what so ever.

On the first part I haven't played the titles with Move so therefore I cannot comment on first had experience however your argument is sound so I agree on that basis.

On the second part I totally agree.

On the third part I believe discounting them completely is wrong because they are true Move experiences and you can use a Move controller with them. In a way I sort of think of them as forwards compatible titles, valuable but of unknown utility like PS2 backwards compatibility was to the PS3 as it is a case by case basis per gamer.

But from my view is it correct to assume that you see them as being legitimate Move titles?

If so, then that is what I expected from you.

I don't believe that since a game was made with both controls schemes in mind that an optimal Move experience wasn't persued. 

I believe that assuming that since a title has both controls schemes , thinking the Move experience was only an afterthought and a lot of work wasn't put into it to make it as best as could be is completely ignorant, seeing as how people have yet to even play the titles, let alone in the case of Killzone 3 the Move controls are getting quite a bit of positive feedback from the press.

I believe that thinking that a balance can not be found between the (2) controls schemes is bad. I believe it can and will be found. Which is why I believe that games with both schemes can be considered Move title.s

Thinking otherwise only shows a complete distrust in what the industry is capable of and shows no faith in that it can move forward and expand to gamers of all different preferences.

Just wanting to wrap things up as im going out in a few minutes.

Well they are legitimate as some developers had to sit back down with their game and work out how to use Move in order to integrate it. 'Tacked on', is more an appropriate term if Sony had simply created a small program which translated Move into Dual Shock 3 actions and then people were calling every PS3 title a 'Move' title. They are Move titles after the fact but they were still crafted into Move titles regardless of whether they were developed as Move titles. You could say this is move DLC style.

So you believe that a game like Killzone 3 isn't a Move title since it is not Move only?

If so, now could it be done any better?