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Badassbab on 16 January 2011
Killiana1a said:

To quote the OP, "Now onto the 360.....no mention at the lack of exclusives? How could Hilary have overlooked this number one problem?! And when I mean exclusives I don't just mean console or timed exclusive or better versions of third party games. That is the number one issue for the 360 right now as far as being a hardcore gamer goes."

Quite a paragraph. Here is what I learned of the OP's view of "hardcore gamer" is:

1. Plays the console with the most amount of exclusives

2. Hardcore = Exclusives

From what I am reading, it sounds to me like the OP should be a Nintendo diehard as Nintendo from the NES has been the system with the most amount of 1st party exclusive titles year after year. Sony found success with the PS1 through third party games, which according to what the OP has written would hardly make the PS1 an exclusive laden console for the "hardcore" gamer.

I am not going to quibble with what IGN writes. I find their website, other than being a portal for advertisements, fairly solid in their editorials and op-ed pieces. I desire IGN to cover Nintendo a tad more fairly, but it is understandable why they don't considering the attitude of IGN's staff, which is easily ascertained by reading through IGN's articles.

What I wrote has nothing to do with me but more do with IGN. The point I was trying to make was I thought the arguments were misplaced. How can the same publication bemoan the lack of exclusives on one system in the second half of the year and then  completely gloss over it for the other console. It's a well known issue for the 360 that IGN completely missed in their feature. They should tell it like it is. What's an editor for? And 3 of the top 360 exclusives (ME2, Splinter Cell and Metro 2033) could be played on the PC at 1080p, 60fps, 8 x AA etc with just a mid range system so the 360 was left with Alan Wake, Crackdown 2, Halo Reach and Fable 3 (and Limbo if XBLA counts). Heck Fable 3 might be ported to PC soon. Though personally I prefer to game on console but that's besdies the point. I use my PC for RTS games and exclusives like Crysis.

And I quote Hilary Goldstein from a previous article on why he switched to the PS3 as his preferred console and this was his FIRST issue:-

Yes, I know, there will be some unannounced Xbox exclusives on the horizon, but Microsoft has made several decisions over the past few years that suggest there’s far less interest in being the sole home for any third-party game. And with Microsoft axing so many of its studios (and letting others like Bungie go) the first-party offerings are slimming down. Since Kinect is going to continue to divide Microsoft’s attention (far more, it seems, than Sony’s Move), there will be fewer and fewer games I want to play that can only be played on Xbox 360.

His moaning at the lack of exclusives and Kinect yet he praises Kinect on the year in review article. And apart from Halo Reach (and Limbo) the exclusives on offer didn't set the world alight.

Greg should've complained more about Move shovelware and not dedicate a whole section bashing GT5.






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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 January 2011
Wagram said:

I found this utterly hilarious.

"And Kinect proved itself to have better games than PlayStation's Move."


That is a joke.



Scoobes on 16 January 2011
daroamer said:
mantlepiecek said:


You may not "need" move to play RE 5, but you can definitely use them, hence why Move had better games than kinect.

People seem to forget that move was released as a substitute for DS 3 and not as a platform. Only few games that are convenient with only move (like beat sketcher) are move only, everything else is available for both controllers. The experience of RE 5 is better with move than with a DS 3, so you playing it with a DS 3 is completely different to you playing it with move. Same goes for KZ3, playing it with the sharpshooter attachment is what people actually imagined kinect could do, ironic that its PS move that's going to be doing it.

Also, this argument of yours actually brings something else to light. The multi-platform exclusives of 360. You can use the same argument that you can play it on the PC. You guys have no problem including that as "exclusives", but in the case of move, it is an exception, huh?

You just argued the opposite of what you were trying to.

People discount PC when talking Xbox vs PS3 exclusives because most people prefer to game on their couch, not in front of the computer.  Most people don't have a PC setup on their TV for gaming.  In the vast majority of cases the console version of the game is the one that is pushed by the developers and is where the bulk of sales are.  The PC versions cater to a different demographic.

Similarly people discount the Move "enabled" games because the controller version is the one that was focused on, developed for and pushed by the developers.   Move is included as more as a bonus and the games weren't built around that control scheme.

So it's really the same thing, most discount PC when discussing exclusives because most people will be playing on the console, and we're discount Move when talking games like Killzone 3 because most people will be playing on the controller.

So thanks for proving our point!

No, people discount PC because it's not on PS3 (or Wii), hence the term "console exclusive".

Love to know where you have the sales data (including digital downloads which virtually no-one tracks) to state "most" people play on the console version.

OT: I know it's a bit cliched, but this is IGN we're talking about. Like most video game "journalists", they don't really deserve that term.




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ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 16 January 2011

i think kinect games are much better than move games, just my personal opinion though. i have tried several move games and syncing every damn game, having to use a dualshock controller to move around the games menu unless u buy the nav move attachment , the overall controls of the games felt rushed and completely tacked on. i traded in my move bundle and games, because it didnt work like or control like it was promoted as .  for ppl who like  move, thats cool just not my cup of tea.

i think both systems had a good year in terms of games,  i did however enjoy the ps3 games that i bought last year more than the 360 games. a owner of either system or of both, should be very happy with what games did grace there system.



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Euphoria14 on 16 January 2011

This is why sites like IGN are a joke. They go about their "analysis" and only decide to include big titles in their arguments.

PS3 RETAIL exclusives for 2010.

 

Atelier Rorona - 65 Meta

3D Dot Game Heroes - 78 Meta

Sly Collection - 85 Meta

Heavy Rain - 87 Meta

God of War 3 - 92 Meta

MAG - 76 Meta

Gran Turismo 5 - 84 Meta

Sports Champions - 76 Meta

MLB 10 The Show - 91 Meta

Trinity Universe - 62 Meta

Last Rebellion - 44 Meta

Yakuza 3 - 80 Meta

EyePet (Move Edition) - 71 Meta

The Fight - 48 Meta

Time Crisis Razing Storm - 58 Meta

Mod Nation Racers - 82 Meta

Singstar Dance - 65 Meta

White Knight Chronicles - 64 Meta

The Shoot - 60 Meta

Kung Fu Rider -36 Meta

Start The Party - 55 Meta

TV Superstars - 56 Meta

 

(22) retail exclusives in 12 months. Just about 2 exclusives per month. (10) of them scored 75 or above and (11) scored 70 or above. (7) at 80 or above and (2) at 90 or above. (16) of the (22) scored 60 or above. 

Lack of exclusives was not the problem. The problem was that the variety was so varied to the point where only a handful appealed to Greg Miller and if he didn't like them they simply didn't exist.

MLB The Show is one of those examples since almost every year it scores 85 or higher and the last 2 years it scored over a 90% yet it is always omitted.

 

They need to do their jobs correctly and realize that all games count whether they liked them or not.



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DirtyP2002 on 16 January 2011

I can't believe there are still some people claiming Move would be better than Kinect. Kinect killed move in every single aspect. This is not trolling in any way, this is something we call "the truth".

This is like saying Wii killed PS3/Xbox 360 this gen or DS killed PSP. Not trolling, just facts. There was this gigantic motionwar-talk going on and the result is clear, so just accept it and stop arguing using metacritics of games that were released years ago without motion controls in mind just to make you feel better.

 

 

 



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Euphoria14 on 16 January 2011
DirtyP2002 said:

I can't believe there are still some people claiming Move would be better than Kinect. Kinect killed move in every single aspect. This is not trolling in any way, this is something we call "the truth".

This is like saying Wii killed PS3/Xbox 360 this gen or DS killed PSP. Not trolling, just facts. There was this gigantic motionwar-talk going on and the result is clear, so just accept it and stop arguing using metacritics of games that were released years ago without motion controls in mind just to make you feel better.


Everyone needs to accept that Kinect is better than Move based on what?

Sales numbers?



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mantlepiecek on 16 January 2011
DirtyP2002 said:

I can't believe there are still some people claiming Move would be better than Kinect. Kinect killed move in every single aspect. This is not trolling in any way, this is something we call "the truth".

This is like saying Wii killed PS3/Xbox 360 this gen or DS killed PSP. Not trolling, just facts. There was this gigantic motionwar-talk going on and the result is clear, so just accept it and stop arguing using metacritics of games that were released years ago without motion controls in mind just to make you feel better.

The first person to use metacritic was a kinect defender, if you haven't noticed.

And don't worry, move had only one game that released "years" ago. In case you haven't noticed, move was in development since a long time, and resident evil 5 was announced to have move support since Jan as far as I know. Same for Heavy Rain. RUSE was a move launch title, along with sports champions.

Sales don't matter.



Euphoria14 on 16 January 2011
mantlepiecek said:
DirtyP2002 said:

I can't believe there are still some people claiming Move would be better than Kinect. Kinect killed move in every single aspect. This is not trolling in any way, this is something we call "the truth".

This is like saying Wii killed PS3/Xbox 360 this gen or DS killed PSP. Not trolling, just facts. There was this gigantic motionwar-talk going on and the result is clear, so just accept it and stop arguing using metacritics of games that were released years ago without motion controls in mind just to make you feel better.

 

The first person to use metacritic was a kinect defender, if you haven't noticed.

And don't worry, move had only one game that released "years" ago. In case you haven't noticed, move was in development since a long time, and resident evil 5 was announced to have move support since Jan as far as I know. Same for Heavy Rain. RUSE was a move launch title, along with sports champions.

Sales don't matter.

Also my Metascores weren't used in defense of Move titles, it was in defense of IGN claiming PS3 had a lack of exclusives in 2010.



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daroamer on 16 January 2011
mantlepiecek said:
daroamer said:
mantlepiecek said:


You may not "need" move to play RE 5, but you can definitely use them, hence why Move had better games than kinect.

People seem to forget that move was released as a substitute for DS 3 and not as a platform. Only few games that are convenient with only move (like beat sketcher) are move only, everything else is available for both controllers. The experience of RE 5 is better with move than with a DS 3, so you playing it with a DS 3 is completely different to you playing it with move. Same goes for KZ3, playing it with the sharpshooter attachment is what people actually imagined kinect could do, ironic that its PS move that's going to be doing it.

Also, this argument of yours actually brings something else to light. The multi-platform exclusives of 360. You can use the same argument that you can play it on the PC. You guys have no problem including that as "exclusives", but in the case of move, it is an exception, huh?

You just argued the opposite of what you were trying to.

People discount PC when talking Xbox vs PS3 exclusives because most people prefer to game on their couch, not in front of the computer.  Most people don't have a PC setup on their TV for gaming.  In the vast majority of cases the console version of the game is the one that is pushed by the developers and is where the bulk of sales are.  The PC versions cater to a different demographic.

Similarly people discount the Move "enabled" games because the controller version is the one that was focused on, developed for and pushed by the developers.   Move is included as more as a bonus and the games weren't built around that control scheme.

So it's really the same thing, most discount PC when discussing exclusives because most people will be playing on the console, and we're discount Move when talking games like Killzone 3 because most people will be playing on the controller.

So thanks for proving our point!


Err...?

Most games are made for the PC and then ported over to the 360 and PS3. Or developed separately on each of them. It doesn't matter if you play from your couch or in front of your monitor, the experience is the same. Its actually better on the PC most of the times because of higher frame-rates and better graphics. But the overall experience of the game remains most of the times, the same.

That's not the same case with move. Killzone 3 might be played by more people with a DS 3, but we all know that the best way to play it is by a sharpshooter. Which is why the killzone developers have distributed these sharpshooters to all the major reviewers. Same goes for socom and MAG and resident evil 5 and RUSE(which btw, is fantastic with Move. Its an RTS, and was specifically launched with move).

Most discount PC when discussing 360's exclusives because they are not available on the PS3, and if its a choice to buy either PS3 or 360, the "exclusive" list helps them. That's usually because a normal person's PC wouldn't be strong enough to play the 360/PC games. You would be surprised if you actually knew the no. of people that actually play on the PC, if you include everyone who pirates their games. As it is there are 30 million on steam, and many more who don't have a steam account who play PCs, and then there are people who play only offline as well. And then the pirates.

Do you honestly think that left 4 Dead was pushed as a 360 game? It was pushed as a PC game just like all the other valve games. Same with metro 2033 and all other PC games that were ported over to the 360.

How is it remotely the same?

Keyboard and mouse vs gamepad.

20something inch monitor vs big screen TV.

Couch vs office chair.

Stereo computer speakers vs surround sound.

MOST people have a far better setup for their TV than their computer which is why consoles are more popular.  If the experience was the same AND you got better graphics then PC would be destroying consoles.  Why do I keep reading about how PC gaming is dying?

I also never said anything about dev tools, I know games are designed on PCs, but the development push is GENERALLY towards the console version.  That is how the controls are optimised. If you think it's all about list wars then that's your view, but I disgree.  Most people prefer to play on consoles.

30 million steam users vs 85 millions Wiis, 51 millions 360 and 46 million PS3s.  It's still no contest.

You still failed in your argument.

"Killzone 3 might be played by more people with a DS 3, but we all know that the best way to play it is by a sharpshooter"

We all know that?  The game isn't even out yet.  Stop with the hyperbole.

Move is to PC version of console exclusives as a controller is the 360.  It's very consistent.