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daroamer on 16 January 2011
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mantlepiecek said:
daroamer said:
mantlepiecek said:


You may not "need" move to play RE 5, but you can definitely use them, hence why Move had better games than kinect.

People seem to forget that move was released as a substitute for DS 3 and not as a platform. Only few games that are convenient with only move (like beat sketcher) are move only, everything else is available for both controllers. The experience of RE 5 is better with move than with a DS 3, so you playing it with a DS 3 is completely different to you playing it with move. Same goes for KZ3, playing it with the sharpshooter attachment is what people actually imagined kinect could do, ironic that its PS move that's going to be doing it.

Also, this argument of yours actually brings something else to light. The multi-platform exclusives of 360. You can use the same argument that you can play it on the PC. You guys have no problem including that as "exclusives", but in the case of move, it is an exception, huh?

You just argued the opposite of what you were trying to.

People discount PC when talking Xbox vs PS3 exclusives because most people prefer to game on their couch, not in front of the computer.  Most people don't have a PC setup on their TV for gaming.  In the vast majority of cases the console version of the game is the one that is pushed by the developers and is where the bulk of sales are.  The PC versions cater to a different demographic.

Similarly people discount the Move "enabled" games because the controller version is the one that was focused on, developed for and pushed by the developers.   Move is included as more as a bonus and the games weren't built around that control scheme.

So it's really the same thing, most discount PC when discussing exclusives because most people will be playing on the console, and we're discount Move when talking games like Killzone 3 because most people will be playing on the controller.

So thanks for proving our point!


Err...?

Most games are made for the PC and then ported over to the 360 and PS3. Or developed separately on each of them. It doesn't matter if you play from your couch or in front of your monitor, the experience is the same. Its actually better on the PC most of the times because of higher frame-rates and better graphics. But the overall experience of the game remains most of the times, the same.

That's not the same case with move. Killzone 3 might be played by more people with a DS 3, but we all know that the best way to play it is by a sharpshooter. Which is why the killzone developers have distributed these sharpshooters to all the major reviewers. Same goes for socom and MAG and resident evil 5 and RUSE(which btw, is fantastic with Move. Its an RTS, and was specifically launched with move).

Most discount PC when discussing 360's exclusives because they are not available on the PS3, and if its a choice to buy either PS3 or 360, the "exclusive" list helps them. That's usually because a normal person's PC wouldn't be strong enough to play the 360/PC games. You would be surprised if you actually knew the no. of people that actually play on the PC, if you include everyone who pirates their games. As it is there are 30 million on steam, and many more who don't have a steam account who play PCs, and then there are people who play only offline as well. And then the pirates.

Do you honestly think that left 4 Dead was pushed as a 360 game? It was pushed as a PC game just like all the other valve games. Same with metro 2033 and all other PC games that were ported over to the 360.

How is it remotely the same?

Keyboard and mouse vs gamepad.

20something inch monitor vs big screen TV.

Couch vs office chair.

Stereo computer speakers vs surround sound.

MOST people have a far better setup for their TV than their computer which is why consoles are more popular.  If the experience was the same AND you got better graphics then PC would be destroying consoles.  Why do I keep reading about how PC gaming is dying?

I also never said anything about dev tools, I know games are designed on PCs, but the development push is GENERALLY towards the console version.  That is how the controls are optimised. If you think it's all about list wars then that's your view, but I disgree.  Most people prefer to play on consoles.

30 million steam users vs 85 millions Wiis, 51 millions 360 and 46 million PS3s.  It's still no contest.

You still failed in your argument.

"Killzone 3 might be played by more people with a DS 3, but we all know that the best way to play it is by a sharpshooter"

We all know that?  The game isn't even out yet.  Stop with the hyperbole.

Move is to PC version of console exclusives as a controller is the 360.  It's very consistent.