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whatever on 09 January 2011
badgenome said:
whatever said:
badgenome said:
heruamon said:
whatever said:

Her opponent ran the below add during the campaign.  While not related to the shooting, hopefully in the future people will NOT associate shooting a gun with removing someone from office.

 

It's amazing how the rats will scurry, now that this has happened...as if we should be surprised that lighting a match in a gas filled room caused an explosion.

Scurry from what? Something that had nothing whatsoever to do with the shooting?

ZOMG! Kos called for a BULLSEYE to be drawn on Gabrielle Giffords and used eliminationist rhetoric against the Blue Dogs! Two and a half years later, she's shot in the head! Culpability confirmed!

And how can you be sure that this is not political at all?  You can't, so to claim that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the shooting is just as irresponsible as those claiming it is directly responsible.

You're absolutely right. I apologize for my presumptuousness. I should never have said that it wasn't related to the shooting.

Oh, wait. That was you.

I was referring to your comment about the "eliminationist rhetoric".  I guess I should have been more explicit.  I assumed you could figure it out, I was wrong.



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heruamon on 09 January 2011

2011 will be an interesting year...and I can hear a battle cry to remember the what happened in Arizona! 



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

heruamon on 09 January 2011
badgenome said:
heruamon said:
HappySqurriel said:
heruamon said:
HappySqurriel said:
Teo said:

The Tea Party is just a product of the lies and fear the republicans have been spreading for the last 2 years. The republicans killed that 9 year old girl.


Blaming the Republicans or Tea Party members for this shooting is kind of like blaming the Democrats for the Fort Hood shooting ...

In what sense?

Because the shooter's political ideals have virtually nothing to do with the Republicans or the Tea party ... and if you can blame the shooting on these parties, you can blame any arbitrary shooting on the Democrats

 

So this shooting wasn't ideologically motivated at all?  One can’t simply draw a straight line from a political demagoguery to seemingly random acts of violence, just as how the member of this site hate the stupid shit Jack Thompson spews, but there is a level of culpability when political/ideological discourse strays from rational discussion and debate to calls for violence and incivility.  Evidently, we as a nation feel so, since we are arresting or seeking the arrest of Islamic leaders who promote such dialogue.  As for the Ft. Hood shooter, he far and away resembles the Tea Party rather than Moveon.org, imho. 

 

I have to wonder how exactly your drawing such a comparison is not an example of incivility you supposedly deplore. Are you inured to the ridiculousness of it because Kos runs around screaming, "American Taliban! American Taliban!"?

It's funny how the guy who tried to shoot up the Florida school board leaves an extensive list of links to left wing sites at the bottom of his suicide note, and very little was made of it in the media. But when a Communist Manifesto-loving Anti-Flag fan shoots a bunch of people, it's CLEARLY Sarah Palin's fault.

Wait...you are saying Clay Duke was a liberal...lol...nice one.



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

badgenome on 09 January 2011
whatever said:

I was referring to your comment about the "eliminationist rhetoric".  I guess I should have been more explicit.  I assumed you could figure it out, I was wrong.

Yeah, I guess you should have been since the "nothing whatsoever" part of my comment was in reference to her opponent inviting people to the shooting range.

Honestly, from what we know the guy sounds far more like a leftist than he does a Tea Party supporter. So it's entirely possible that he has a hate-on for Blue Dogs or whatever, but so far there's nothing linking him to the Democratic party, the Daily Kos, or anything else. He sounds like a loner who is entirely outside of the political mainstream, in addition to sounding mentally ill.

There's like a one in a million chance that he was motivated by what Kos said in that post. But, for the sake of argument, suppose he was. So what? Kos still wouldn't be responsible, since he didn't say anything that would motivate any rational person to kill someone. I absolutely loathe Kos, and responsible speech is all well and good, but we can't always mind our P's and Q's because our words might mingle with the voices in some lunatic mind in a way that causes people to get shot.



badgenome on 09 January 2011
heruamon said:
badgenome said:

I have to wonder how exactly your drawing such a comparison is not an example of incivility you supposedly deplore. Are you inured to the ridiculousness of it because Kos runs around screaming, "American Taliban! American Taliban!"?

It's funny how the guy who tried to shoot up the Florida school board leaves an extensive list of links to left wing sites at the bottom of his suicide note, and very little was made of it in the media. But when a Communist Manifesto-loving Anti-Flag fan shoots a bunch of people, it's CLEARLY Sarah Palin's fault.

Wait...you are saying Clay Duke was a liberal...lol...nice one.

Well, he did link to these sites right before he went out and tried to shoot people (and failed miserably):

   http://metanoia-films.org/index.php

   http://www.theprogressivemind.info/

   http://www.axisoflogic.com/

   http://carolynbaker.net/

   http://www.accountabilitycircle.org/

   http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com

   http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml

   http://mediamatters.org/

   http://www.medialens.org/

   http://redpill8.blogspot.com/

   http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Disinfopedia

   http://www.stoplying.ca/

   http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/

   http://luvsite.org/natsec.html

   http://www.wearechange.org/

   http://wikileaks.indymedia.org/mirrors.html

Is that to say Julian Assange and George Soros are to blame? Of course not. It would be a real reach to suggest such a thing. Almost as much as a reach as blaming the Tea Party for what happened in Arizona.



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mhsillen on 09 January 2011
ManusJustus said:

Something has to be done about conservative terrorism in America.  First Muslims and now Republicans are joining the act.  Sadly, given both their lack of morals and low intelligence, I can't say that I am suprised.


Anyone on this site blaming the tea party are engaging in the same political vitriol as the MSM.

You are a prime example of negativity and hateful stereotyping hyperbole. 

Did you say the same thing about the eco-terrorist who threatened the discovery channel office workers.

Man this thread all bullshit



mhsillen on 09 January 2011

The mass murderer Jimmy Jones was labeled by the MSM as a religious nut case.

But he was an atheist who who was enamored with communism.

So who ever is blaming a group the true facts will be redacted and a lie will be propagated. 



mhsillen on 09 January 2011
Lostplanet22 said:
richardhutnik said:
badgenome said:

Yes, the Tea Party would really want to kill a pro-gun, anti-illegal immigration Blue Dog Democrat.

It's pretty sickening how so many people fly off all half-cocked in their desperation to make political hay out of such a horrible incident.

Consider this image below that the sarahpac website had up earlier this year.  She was opposed by the Palin camp in the last election period due to votes on the health care bill.  And note the cross-hairs used.  Factor in also people carrying guns to Obama speeches, and other extreme talk, with them angry about not being in power, and that is why the Tea Party is a top candidate.  Stuff like this below needs to stop.  You get an unhinged loon jumping on it, and blammo, you have more shootings.  And YES, that image was up on Palin's PAC website in 2010.

I wonder how Palin will react.....16 more to go?


Anybody can can talk with violent overtones but we know they don't mean to kill people

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0608/Obama_brings_a_gun_to_a_knife_fight.html



koffieboon on 09 January 2011

Such a horrible act, my thoughts go out to the victims and their family and friends.

On a related note, will this incident finally lead to stricter gun laws in the US?



pizzahut451 on 09 January 2011
HappySqurriel said:

I haven't see this verified yet, but it has been reported that the shooter was Jared Loughner and this is a video that is supposedly from him:

 

Unless the United States has a new Tin-Foil hat party, I don't think it would be reasonable to blame this incident on any political party.

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