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True it does, but I was just mearly making a point. You can't say GT PSP bombed if you don't say Mario Kart DS bombed.
Although considering GT5 sales are still in it's infancy, no, I don't consider it a bomb.
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Uh, yes you can. Mario Kart DS far outsold every previous Mario Kart, it was an unheralded success by series standards. GT PSP far undersold every previous GT, it was an unheralded failure by series standards. Your point literally has zero merit.
I wouldn't consider GT5 a bomb either fwiw.
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Considering DS seems to be on track on outselling every nintendo home console that isn't wii combined, no wonder it sold more.
Considering PSP looks like it could become the worst selling Sony console (if the successor comes out this year) plus the fact that it is a handheld (which gives it absolutely no chance unless it is in DS's position, which it would half to have over 250 million consoles to do so) no wonder it sold less.
Still doesn't change that Mario Kart DS is a bomb compared to console versions, as is the same for GT PSP.
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lol, no it's not at all "the same" by any stretch... chiefly because Mario Kart DS far outsold every previous console version of the series. This isn't rocket science here, I'm not sure why you can't seem to grasp "by series standards" and "ratio arguments inherently favor smaller bases"?
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And your by series standards argument favor bigger bases. Nintendos total and utter failure with N64 and Gamecube just makes Mario Kart DS look good. Mario Kart DS was a success by series standards but a complete and total failure by ratio. Infact Mario Kart DS couldn't even sell more than the SNES N64 and GC versions combined despite having 40 million more consoles than their consoles combined.
It seems we are at a stalemate, our arguments use two different schools of thought and we aren't changing our opinions. I'm just leaving it at that.
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Uh, Mario Kart DS also sold favorably to the SNES and GBA versions. It's not simply a total userbase thing here, it did exceedingly well by any standard.
And we're not at a "stalemate", your reaching argument to somehow use ratio to make Mario Kart DS look disappointing doesn't even work... it has a better sellthrough ratio than literally every single game ever released on PS2... if you're trying to somehow twist reality so you can argue MKDS is a bomb, then you also consider every single game ever released on PS2 to be a bomb as well? Gee, no wonder you're so eager to leave it at that. lol.
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I don't care about PS2. Mario Kart DS is still a bomb. It failed to meet other ones many times. DS is 145 million, over 40 million than the other home consoles not wii that had mario kart but it can't outsell them combined. It failed to reach mario kart wii even though DS sold like 60 million more than wii. Your argument uses the fact that nintendo did completely awful, their last two consoles sold so bad it's not funny. Now we finally have a successful console and now it is great, which it obviously isn't. It will always fail to meet Mario Kart Wii in just sales, doesn't matter how big DS gets. Compared to consoles, it is the singlehandly worst selling Mario Kart. Mario Kart SNES sold to around 24% of all owners while DS is at 14.7% of all owners, the worst of all the home consoles. mario Kart DS is the second worse Mario Kart, and will continue to be forever.
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lol... so we've moved away from ratios (since they uh, clearly don't support your claims even, otherwise every PS2 game ever released is a bomb) and to Mario Kart DS needing to outsell every previous Mario Kart combined to be considered "not a bomb"? Dear gods, these adventurous goalposts have traveled father than any man could have imagined! ;)
You should check your math too, Mario Kart SNES sold to only about 17-18% of all SNES owners... which is better than any GT ever has btw. I like how at the end of this gen Mario Kart DS & Wii combined will have likely sold more than the entire mainline GT series combined (and they'll both also hold higher ratios than any single mainline GT, bar possibly GT5 and MKDS)... that would've been unimaginable 5 years ago, it's really amazing to look at Nintendo's rise and Sony's fall in context.
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Oh oops, I used N64 mario kart with SNES base (Probably should have checked before I posted D:), but it still doesn't matter. Mario Kart DS is still lower.
Compared to Mario kart, you could consider every PS2 game to be a bomb. But why in the world would you compare Mario kart to every PS2 game? What you should be comparing is to say the average sales of the type of game on the console they are on(if not on a previous console) and if they have been on a previous console, and is say a series, then you can check ratio. I moved away from PS2 games because they weren't relevant to the point at hand, and comparing Mario Kart to every single game is dumb, not because it doesn't support me. Your original point was series standards, and I stayed close to the series standard. You are the one that tried to move away from that point because it wasn't supporting you.
I may have goofed up on the math but the point still stands, Mario Kart DS is still worse than every single console mario kart ever.
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If you did, pretty much every PS2 game still would be a failure.
I mean, I don't think you understand the very basics of Userbases.
Userbases increase sales but nor proportionally.
For it to increase proportionally you would have to assume that all videogame owners are basically equal or their spread over the consoles is equal in scope.
That is, if the PS2 has sold 200,000 200 of those people are PRG fans, while from the 2,000 who bought dreamcast, 2 are RPG.
That's not the case, similiar groups buy consoles similarly. Expanded userbase doesn't increase sales proportionally but instead either by a greater or lesser margin based on your current demographic.
Mariokart DS didn't increase as much proportionally because previous nintendo systesms already had a disproportiant share of people who like kart racers.
Which really isn't a surprise because Nintendo was the only company that made a good kart racer for the longest time. (witholding judgement on MNR till i play it.)
A quick proof of this is simply to look at JRPG sales in america between PS3 and 360 of a multiplat game. If userbases did grow proportionally there is no reason to think sales wouldn't be exactly proportional, but the fact that sometimes PS3 JRPGs even outsell 360 ones proves the point.
