Most people complaining about PSN speeds (ie downloading, updates connectivity). Have to understand thats more of an issue with you.

I think maybe one of the reasons live users might experience faster general speeds is the fact that the original 360's don't come with wireless adadptor so you're left plugging it in to a ethernet cable.

Personally I have an amazing set-up in my little haven of a room- big tv PS3, PC all connected to one "magic" internet box at around 12 mbitsps or 1.5 megabytes/sec. So even though the internet can't always utilize those download speeds (cought steam) PSN always does so my biggest demo download uncharted beta or mag beta each took 15- 20 minutes. DSN error i noticed when i had wireless connections with my ps3 its essentially a wireless issue. Now that my ps3 is connected sicne last year i only get fast results.

The basis of live vs PSN arguement stems down to what SONY/MS force you to live with. SONY gives you wireless wich is convient but u will suffer slower speeds vis-a-vis download and connectivity as a community. MS doesnt give you anything for free, you become greatful that because one is forced to plug his xbox to a small cable he now gets as a community general faster results.

It's all subjective, in the truest sense.

I didn't say it's better,did I?I said it's almost as good.There's a big difference.

I don't afford the luxury?I had an xbox 360,and I had Live for 1 full year in 2009,untill my little cousin broke my system.Didn't bother to buy another,since I also have a PS3.

Stop talking out of your a**.

Yet another raging fanboy debate.

We should do this more often.

Toastboy is teh instigator, where be he now? x)

Yeah I didn't have those problems either on the original xbox, which is why I was so disappointed with live on 360. Anyway those echo's were a widely reported issue and I'm glad it has been solved. The connection problems might have been due to strict NAT not playing nice with peer to peer games.

Not being able to understand people online is partly due to low quality sound and due to suffering from slight background noise deafness, ie not being able to filter out voice as efficiently from the background noise. At least all games have subtitles now for people like me :) I pretty much have to turn the game sound off to understand what people are saying. I rather listen to the game.

Maybe voice recognition will one day lead to closed captioning for psn / live talk. That would really be innovative.

live is a better service due to communication features but no way is it worth paying for.

psn is perfectly fine you can play all your games online without charge

extras on psn:

• vidzone tv
• bbc iplayer
• itv player
• 4od player
• muvi
• lovefilm
• hulu
• home network
• video editer/upload
• play memories 3d picture viewer
• playstation lifestyle app
• upload pictures to facebook/picassa
• browser

extras on live:

• cross game chat
• record voice messeges
• party system
• facebook/twitter
• zune video

Again free does not equal better.

Most of those extra psn features I have never heard of or would even use. Hulu...ok that I would use but once its available on Xbox 360 I will be using it on there due to it being my console that is turned on the most. So for me Xbox LIVE is still the obvious choice. Most of those extra psn features most gamers really don`t care for anyways.

But does cost meets the means (compared to PSN) 50 dollars is a new game and i only get like 3-5 yearly to being with.

I enjoyed this thread.

Lots of friends on LIVE = willingness to pay

If Sony was able to turn back time, Im pretty sure they will charge for PSN without questions.