You want someone banned for saying a crap service is crap? You're way too heavily invested in Microsoft. See, I use their products (Visual Studio, SQL Server, Windows, Office) to make a living. You own a box they made that plays games. Take a look at yourselves, for Heaven's sake.

Are you sure? I notice Vlad gets banned a lot :P

You want someone banned for saying a crap service is crap? You're way too heavily invested in Microsoft. See, I use their products (Visual Studio, SQL Server, Windows, Office) to make a living. You own a box they made that plays games. Take a look at yourselves, for Heaven's sake.

I guess that post wasn't directed at me, but still I own lots of Microsoft products (software and hardware).

But yeah saying something is shit is not allowed on VGChartz. (though mods tend to ignore it in certain cases)

What do you think, how would Shio act if I created a thread starting to say how I dislike Steam (and I really do!)

BAN THESE PEOPLE MODS. Things are getting out of control right here.

I could imagine how that would apply if directed at 'console x'- all it's likely to do is cause a flame war, as both absolutely and comparatively none of the consoles or their various online services actually are shit. However, both as a standalone 'product' and in comparison to other DD services, GfWL really is shit. It has a clunky, half-finished feeling interface, an obtuse sign up mechanism whereby you get redirected to the main XBox site, a limited selection of games, unclear DRM and very limited community features compared to Steam. There have been multiple articles from PC games magazines and sites repeatedly criticising it and its implementation. Publishers and developers don't like it, hence why they're leaving in droves, hell Microsoft itself doesn't even like it judging by their current push to try and improve it. It's not as though it's a new service either- it's been out there in one form or another for years now.

I just can't help wondering whether the Microsoft Defence Force would have turned up if this was a thread criticising Impulse, GamersGate or Direct2Drive. My guess is we wouldn't be having self-righteous posts calling for bannings for people expressing just how poor GfWL is.

Shadowrun got modest review scores and sales weren't great either.

It definitely wasn't a hit so I wouldn't call it a strong title. Yet Scoobes is under the illusion it was.

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I wouldn't put too much wieght on reviews... sales on the other hand do matter. I don't think ShadowRun is a bad game, but that's only one guys opinion and that barely matters but I can't help but think that... it really SEEMS like one of those games I'd think anyone would like. ShadowRun is either cult hit or a game that never got it's chance to make it big and you can't rely on reviews and sales just like that.

Have you played the game? Maybe you'd understand if you played it.

HELLO MODS!!!!

Jesus, I was banned for calling Left 4 Dead an exclusive without mentioning "console" right in front of "exclusive".

But it is okay, to call a different service, shit, suck balls etc?
So I can open a thread calling PSN a piece of shit that suck balls due to my anecdotal experience?

Even if there is not much love for GFWL, this is trolling in a very bad way. I don't want to defend GFWL, it worked for me the one time I used it, but I thought there is a VGC-standard regarding trolling. Sure you can say I don't like X because of Y, but the way the OP is written is not a good way to do so.

I bet a lifetime ban, if this wasn't against GFWL but instead against XBL, PSN, Wii whatever, there would have been people banned.