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Blu-ray will be a success because it will last through to the next gen of consoles by which time it will be close to dominating DVD in the movie/TV series space. If Sony elect to use Blu-ray again for PS4 that will be the first time Sony will have kept with the same storage medium for 2 console generations; which woukld suggest a lot of confidence in Blu-ray having good longevity.

If Sony were to go DD only for PS4 then that would not represent a fail for Blu-ray. If Sony went for another new disc format it wouldn't be a fail for Blu-ray. Both those scenarios would simply be Sony acting to type in bringing a different storage medium with each succeeding console.

Personally I see Sony sticking with Blu-ray for PS4. I don't see DD taking over completely next gen, but it may do the generation after.

Pachter says there's no way MS will go Blu-ray. So with current options MS are either going to be DD only or stick with DVD. Though perhaps MS could go the Onlive model, it does seem like a bit of a natural progression for XBL.



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Depends on how you look at it. In the long run we are all dead. In the short run, Blu Ray is the obvious choice, but don't place your bet just yet because Microsoft may go all DD next generation and try to win it by offering a comparable console to the PS4 along with $30-50 software due to no physical media costs.

The PS1 and PS2 were smash successes because they banked on future media formats. CD for PS1 and DVD for PS2. Sony has not had such luck with Blu Ray and the PS3.

They have not had the luck this generation because digital distribution was well established by the time the PS3 arrived and tried to win this generation via Blu Ray (Steam was 3 years old in 2006 and Netflix was 9 years old in 2006). What Sony has dealt with this generation is 2 competing transitional, future media formats (Blu Ray and DD). Sony never dealt with this during the PS1 and PS2 eras. There are other factors involved in the PS3 placing 3rd, but discussing them would be going off-topic.

What you can count on are businesses always trying to cut out the middleman. Physical media via DVD and Blu Ray present middlemen between the company and the consumer, thus driving up the cost of production making the product less profitable and more expensive for the consumer. 

Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft would be completely ignorant to just resign themselves to Blu Ray next generation. Xbox Live and PSN have reached a level where it is conceivable and possible to sell each and every game DD.

Personally, I prefer physical format because it means I "own" it instead of renting it from a server. Furthermore, if gaming goes all DD and your hard-drive crashes, then what would stop Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo from charging you full price for every lost product or adding in a lost and found fee for something you already bought?



MS was completely wrong, physical media isn't never going to die, blu ray is the obvious future here are some things to think about 

-Storage size: the average game is about 8 gigs (behind held back by dvd) on 360 and ps3 exclusives are like 15-20 gigs on average there's no way you could build up a decent collection with DD only, not to mention if you wanted movies and other things on your harddrive, there just isn't the space

-The rest of the world: NA has pretty much the best internet network and still they can't stream blu ray quality movies, UK is next best and japan is up there I think everything else would be pretty much impossible to reliably download full size games or movies on, when you can just ship a dvd or blu ray to it the same as anywhere else and get sales, I mean MS doesn't even have xbl up in half the countries they ship too, and pretty much everywhere besides US they have a poor network so again not going to happen

-Price compare to HDDs: blu rays are cheaper to make then a harddrive of the same size, much cheaper, so for the consumer when buying something that takes up alot of space it's cheaper to buy blu rays then invest in a massive harddrive which still might not be enough 

Don't get more wrong DD is going places, it makes it much easier, cheaper and faster for smaller files and works out great, but storage media is just so much farther ahead in terms of storage capacity and don't rely on online networks, storage media isn't going anywhere until the entire world is covered in wifi thats capable of downloading gigs a minute and even then we'll probably have storage media being set to a mars colony or something 



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OntheEdgeofthemirror said:

MS was completely wrong, physical media isn't never going to die, blu ray is the obvious future here are some things to think about 

-Storage size: the average game is about 8 gigs (behind held back by dvd) on 360 and ps3 exclusives are like 15-20 gigs on average there's no way you could build up a decent collection with DD only, not to mention if you wanted movies and other things on your harddrive, there just isn't the space

-The rest of the world: NA has pretty much the best internet network and still they can't stream blu ray quality movies, UK is next best and japan is up there I think everything else would be pretty much impossible to reliably download full size games or movies on, when you can just ship a dvd or blu ray to it the same as anywhere else and get sales, I mean MS doesn't even have xbl up in half the countries they ship too, and pretty much everywhere besides US they have a poor network so again not going to happen

-Price compare to HDDs: blu rays are cheaper to make then a harddrive of the same size, much cheaper, so for the consumer when buying something that takes up alot of space it's cheaper to buy blu rays then invest in a massive harddrive which still might not be enough 

Don't get more wrong DD is going places, it makes it much easier, cheaper and faster for smaller files and works out great, but storage media is just so much farther ahead in terms of storage capacity and don't rely on online networks, storage media isn't going anywhere until the entire world is covered in wifi thats capable of downloading gigs a minute and even then we'll probably have storage media being set to a mars colony or something 

PC's and Steam say hello!
 Aslo do you have any info on that average game size? I have never seen averages stated that high and am wondering where you got your info.



Killiana1a said:

Depends on how you look at it. In the long run we are all dead. In the short run, Blu Ray is the obvious choice, but don't place your bet just yet because Microsoft may go all DD next generation and try to win it by offering a comparable console to the PS4 along with $30-50 software due to no physical media costs.

The PS1 and PS2 were smash successes because they banked on future media formats. CD for PS1 and DVD for PS2. Sony has not had such luck with Blu Ray and the PS3.

They have not had the luck this generation because digital distribution was well established by the time the PS3 arrived and tried to win this generation via Blu Ray (Steam was 3 years old in 2006 and Netflix was 9 years old in 2006). What Sony has dealt with this generation is 2 competing transitional, future media formats (Blu Ray and DD). Sony never dealt with this during the PS1 and PS2 eras. There are other factors involved in the PS3 placing 3rd, but discussing them would be going off-topic.

What you can count on are businesses always trying to cut out the middleman. Physical media via DVD and Blu Ray present middlemen between the company and the consumer, thus driving up the cost of production making the product less profitable and more expensive for the consumer. 

Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft would be completely ignorant to just resign themselves to Blu Ray next generation. Xbox Live and PSN have reached a level where it is conceivable and possible to sell each and every game DD.

Personally, I prefer physical format because it means I "own" it instead of renting it from a server. Furthermore, if gaming goes all DD and your hard-drive crashes, then what would stop Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo from charging you full price for every lost product or adding in a lost and found fee for something you already bought?

I know some video games shops that won't support the next Xbox then...



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Depends if you're talking about mainstream success.  I've always been of the mindset that Blu Ray would find success, but not mainstream success.  It has.  Digital seems to be growing in leaps and bounds every year because people love the EASE and CONVENIENCE of it all (for the most part).

It's hard to say how you can analyze the two and say one was right and one was wrong.  As others have said, that's just too black and white.

But for GAMING purposes, Blu Ray has failed to prove itself as a financially viable endeavor.  It just hasn't given PS3 games enough of an advantage to justify it's cost.



STEKSTAV said:

I thought they predicted HD DVD was the future?


Better believe they were right by being wrong about them, and right about the wrong the other made.

And not using other method being right by default.

 

Because when you want to win a fanboy war the easy way is just say the other is wrong so you perhaps is right.



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Yes and no.

Physical media won't die easily or quickly however blu-ray being an unneeded niche product probably will.