that why you don't bother with ppl who acts like they know every thing about the game but hasn't even played it.

BTW Standard cars have damage.

We should stop comparing Console games to PC games graphic wise. The last game that truly was able to compete with PC on some level was Uncharted 2. PCs nowadays are one generation ahead. 4gig ram I5 and a 200 Euro graphics card beats consoles already by a lot. 

A good PC has 10times the power of an HD Console. PC graphics are slowly becoming better and better and the flaws of Consoles are more and more obvious and the later a game comes in a console life cycle the uglier it seems because pc graphics get better and better with time .

TBH PS3 and Xbox360 games are all ugly really ugly to what a good PC has to offer. And the better PC gets the uglier HD Console games are. Uncharted 3 KZ 3 Infamous 2 will be most whats possible on PS3 and the Box already reached its climax for quite a while now.

PS3 starts to get ugly and if consoles wouldnt be so huge then there would already be Pc games which would be technically impossible on consoles and engines which would need more power then a console can deliever.

If we look at GT5 as a Console game it is the prettiest Racing game and on par with Forza 3, sometimes its prettier sometimes its uglier. But GT is all about Gameplay anyway which imo is superior. I am not so into Racer but GT always sucks me in like no other Racer.

I prefer 5 years development real driving than just graphics.

By the comments here I will love it.

If you want driving, you've come to the right place.

Some artifacting on shadows and minor glitches and downright ugly trees are there. The cars and tracks themselves look absolutely sensational and the driving itself is unprecedented. It shits all over the other GT games in terms of fun and I should know, having spent 1000 hours in GT4.

Ok stop right there. You haven't played the game so please silence yourself. Everything you post is either false evidence to your claims and is irrelevant because you're constantly changing your argument. If you actually played the game I would hold your words to some credibility to your claims. Do you get off by making post like this? lol

I agree.....

secondly... name the simulator that is "far better"...

Obviously someone here has never played Forza Motorsport 2 or 3 (Never played the first myself) and used the tuning and upgrade options. I'm sure many real "Automotive Enthusiasts" would like all options of customisation available to them, inside and outside of their vehicle.

You'll find most of my vehicles in Forza the default colour scheme  with no  added body kit unless it's the specific Forza Motorsport Racing body kit for the added handling.

this x1000.

GT5 does have some inconsistencies in the graphical department, but nothing that detracts from the overall experience of the game.
When you're driving down the Mulsanne straight at over 300 km/h, with the full FFB of your wheel (if you have one) kicking in at every bump and feeling th e insane sense of speed, you don't have time to notice those inconsistencies.

I also agree with you in the sheer amount of content and fun. Heck, it took me almost an hour and a half after installing and starting the game to actually go and start the licenses,  between looking at the events, the museum (which is an epic addition), the photo mode, course maker and many other things. It's an amazing package indeed.

quick question where is the top gear test track? do you have to get to a certain level or something to unlock it?