By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Sales - X360 nearly overtakes Wii HW/SW for year 2010 in Americas

phenom08 said:

@ antubus

So in other words you have no reply so your just going to ignor because your wrong

@ jarrod

Thanks for ending this stupid debate, they could just buy an used one if they really don't want those games as you said or they could just buy a legacy wii both options are cheaper. Which is exactly why im buying a red wii because i don't care for wii sports resort, he acts like you have to have those games or you just won't have a wii lol.

Sigh...

Let's make this simple.

Person X wants to play let's say SMG2. He has no interest on WS/WSR. If there is no legacy wii available, he has to buy wii with 2 games he don't want.

Or he can buy a used wii, maybe without warranty. 99,5% of those used wii consoles come with at least wii sports.



Around the Network

According to NPD both the Xbox 360 and PS3 have passed the Wii in America YTD software by revenue.

Starting at the bottom, the venerable PlayStation 2 has seen its YTD software revenue drop by 70%, which is not that unexpected for a system which just completed ten years in the U.S. market.

The PSP, which has been on the market for over five and a half years, also saw a dramatic decline (over 30%) in its software revenue so far this year. Its slower fall has put it ahead of the PS2 in terms of revenue this year, but it still accounts for less than 3% of the software market, by our estimates.

Software revenue on Nintendo's DS platform, which this month begins its seventh year on the market, dropped by a somewhat more modest 12% from 2009 to 2010. Still, it accounts for nearly 1 in ever 7 software dollars spent so far this year.

The top three software revenue generators are the current-generation consoles, and here is where things get interesting. In October 2009, the Wii had generated the most software revenue of any single system on the market, just slightly ahead of the Xbox 360.

However, at this point in 2010 it is third, behind the PlayStation 3.

In contrast, the Xbox 360 has nudged its revenue up over 8%, helped in great part by sales of Halo: Reach in September and October. The PlayStation 3 has done even better, relatively speaking, with software revenue going up by over 25%.

These figure are even more striking when one considers the installed hardware bases. The Nintendo Wii has passed the 30.5 million system mark, or over 2.2 times the size of the PS3 installed base of 13.7 million systems.

With that kind of advantage, it is notable that the PS3 has moved approximately $100 million more software this year than has the Wii. Simply put, the average PS3 owner is spending significantly more money on software than is the average Wii owner.

Note, however, that this does not mean that the PS3 is selling more units of software – just that it is generating more revenue. Due to the differential in average software prices for each of the platforms, the Wii undoubtedly has moved more units of software in 2010, but more money has been spent on PS3 software.

To sum up our first look at software revenue: the three oldest systems on the market along with the Wii are all seeing declines in software revenue (down 27% or about $840 million), while the Xbox 360 and PS3 are showing increases (up 16% or about $440 million).

If we group platforms by manufacturer, we get another view of software revenue, shown below.

Since Microsoft has only the one platform, the Xbox 360, the story we see here is the same: over $100 million in software revenue growth.

For Sony, the so-called PlayStation family of systems has realized a small, approximately $20 million, decline in software revenue. The company has at last generated enough demand with its flagship console to overcome almost all of the software losses its is experiencing on the PS2 and PSP.

However, these systems appear to be on terminal trajectories, and if their revenues effectively go to zero in 2011 then the question becomes whether the PS3 can fill that gap – about $450 million – in Sony's revenue stream.

The larger story in the figure above, however, is the $500 million contraction in software revenue on Nintendo's platforms. Industry-wide, retail video game software revenue has fallen only $400 million, and Nintendo's systems have contributed all of that loss and more. If it weren't for strong Xbox 360 software revenue this year, the industry's hole would be even deeper.

Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6210/npd_behind_the_numbers_october_.php?page=2

Good reading, I suggest anyone interested in sales read it because it beats the pants off the articles written on this site for readability.



Tease.

Antabus said:

True, but the difference on 360/wii is that not every 360 is bundled with the same game and there are consoles without any bundled games available. I am not saying that the sales of the sonic tennis game weren't inflated.


Well, going back to the original comment... I don't see how that's really any different for this year then?  Wii's always been bundled with a game in America, albeit a game a good amount of Wii owners likely would've bought anyway (like they did in Japan).  

If anything though, I'd argue Nintendo's quite conservative with bundling this gen.  Wii Sports was a strategic move, and now WSR/NSMB are being value-added in place of a price drop (and in Mario's case, for his anniversary promotion).  They're pretty restrained all things considered, especially compared to the fast and loose bundling and tons of SKU combinations we see their competition always pushing.



jarrod said:
Antabus said:

True, but the difference on 360/wii is that not every 360 is bundled with the same game and there are consoles without any bundled games available. I am not saying that the sales of the sonic tennis game weren't inflated.


Well, going back to the original comment... I don't see how that's really any different for this year then?  Wii's always been bundled with a game in America, albeit a game a good amount of Wii owners likely would've bought anyway (like they did in Japan).  

If anything though, I'd argue Nintendo's quite conservative with bundling this gen.  Wii Sports was a strategic move, and now WSR/NSMB are being value-added in place of a price drop (and in Mario's case, for his anniversary promotion).  They're pretty restrained all things considered, especially compared to the fast and loose bundling and tons of SKU combinations we see their competition always pushing.


It is different this year because there won't be any of those legacy consoles soon. :P I'm just saying that a lot of console buyers are forced to get a game or 2 which they have no interest on.



Antabus said:
jarrod said:
Antabus said:

True, but the difference on 360/wii is that not every 360 is bundled with the same game and there are consoles without any bundled games available. I am not saying that the sales of the sonic tennis game weren't inflated.


Well, going back to the original comment... I don't see how that's really any different for this year then?  Wii's always been bundled with a game in America, albeit a game a good amount of Wii owners likely would've bought anyway (like they did in Japan).  

If anything though, I'd argue Nintendo's quite conservative with bundling this gen.  Wii Sports was a strategic move, and now WSR/NSMB are being value-added in place of a price drop (and in Mario's case, for his anniversary promotion).  They're pretty restrained all things considered, especially compared to the fast and loose bundling and tons of SKU combinations we see their competition always pushing.


It is different this year because there won't be any of those legacy consoles soon. :P I'm just saying that a lot of console buyers are forced to get a game or 2 which they have no interest on.

Soon?  There's only a month and half left of "this year"?

And I'd say the number of Wii buyers with "no interest" in Wii Sports is likely pretty miniscule.  Even this year... I don't think there's much real "forcing" here overall.



Around the Network
jarrod said:
Antabus said:
jarrod said:
Antabus said:

True, but the difference on 360/wii is that not every 360 is bundled with the same game and there are consoles without any bundled games available. I am not saying that the sales of the sonic tennis game weren't inflated.


Well, going back to the original comment... I don't see how that's really any different for this year then?  Wii's always been bundled with a game in America, albeit a game a good amount of Wii owners likely would've bought anyway (like they did in Japan).  

If anything though, I'd argue Nintendo's quite conservative with bundling this gen.  Wii Sports was a strategic move, and now WSR/NSMB are being value-added in place of a price drop (and in Mario's case, for his anniversary promotion).  They're pretty restrained all things considered, especially compared to the fast and loose bundling and tons of SKU combinations we see their competition always pushing.


It is different this year because there won't be any of those legacy consoles soon. :P I'm just saying that a lot of console buyers are forced to get a game or 2 which they have no interest on.

Soon?  There's only a month and half left of "this year"?

And I'd say the number of Wii buyers with "no interest" in Wii Sports is likely pretty miniscule.  Even this year... I don't think there's much real "forcing" here overall.

Yeah, a month and half. The holiday season. Not a big deal.

So you would say. I would say that at least half of wii buyers have no interest in wii sports. I think that there is a lot of forcing.



jarrod said:

DD games in retail cases are still counted by trackers.   Look at GTA Episodes from Liberty City, or the various PSN cards that came out around PSP Go (GT, LBP, etc).  Though I'm not sure how VGC tracks these things?

VGChartz doesn't count DD.

Anyhow, my point is the 360 hasn't been bundled with nearly as many units of software as the Wii.

Just pointing out how impressive the 360 software sales figures are. Not trying to bash the Wii.



Recently Completed
River City: Rival Showdown
for 3DS (3/5) - River City: Tokyo Rumble for 3DS (4/5) - Zelda: BotW for Wii U (5/5) - Zelda: BotW for Switch (5/5) - Zelda: Link's Awakening for Switch (4/5) - Rage 2 for X1X (4/5) - Rage for 360 (3/5) - Streets of Rage 4 for X1/PC (4/5) - Gears 5 for X1X (5/5) - Mortal Kombat 11 for X1X (5/5) - Doom 64 for N64 (emulator) (3/5) - Crackdown 3 for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

phenom08 said:
Antabus said:
phenom08 said:
rrrnearrr said:
jarrod said:
Mr Puggsly said:

More impressive for the 360 when you consider the massive bundling Wii has.

Oh, the irony, lol!

 

Games bundled with console hardware in NA so far...

 

Xbox 360

 

  • Forza Motorsport 2 (2007)
  • Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (2007)
  • Sega Superstars Tennis (2008)
  • LEGO Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures (2008)
  • Kung-Fu Panda (2008)
  • Resident Evil 5 (2009)
  • Halo 3 (2009)
  • Fable II (2009)
  • Grand Theft Auto IV (2009)
  • LEGO Batman (2009)
  • Pure (2009)
  • Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (2009)
  • Final Fantasy XIII (2010)
  • Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts (2010)
  • Viva Pinata (2010)
  • Forza Motorsport 3 (2010)
  • Halo 3: O.D.S.T. (2010)
  • Splinter Cell: Conviction (2010)
  • Halo Reach (2010)
  • Alan Wake (2010)
  • Kinect Adventures (2010)

 

Wii

 

  • Wii Sports (2006)
  • Wii Sports Resort (2010)
  • New Super Mario Bros. Wii (2010)
...I might've missed some on the 360 side too...

 


Really? You're so smart. Not knowing that every Wii is bundled and not every 360 is bundled. Number of different games is not the same of number of games.

How many times do we need to really go over this, its like your saying if the wii wasn't bundled with a game someone would have went to the store and bought it without a game. If wiisports wasn't bundled it would only benefit another game because they would have just bought wiisports seperately or bought another game, which means the software sales would still be where they are. I love the excuses for a console that relies on "hardcore gamers" it sure can't sell a game, considering the fact that a console that relies on "soccer moms and kids' sells as much software only shows how bad the 360 sells games, i guess thats why it shares most of its library with the ps3.

Some people would buy wii without a game, the people who mod it.

Wii is bundled with 2 games now. Let's assume that a person who is not interested in those games buys a wii, he has to get those games and the game(s) what made him buy the wii. That inflates the SW sales a lot. On 360 there is no forced bundles, you can get 360 without any games or with the game you actually want.

What sells the wii in the first place are wii games, why do you think third party games sell so much less, nintendo bundles those games because they have alot more appeal than something like call of duty or halo. Why exactly should i not count those games, because microsoft doesn't do it. Why does microsoft not bundle halo 3 constantly? Is it because they would miss out on all the other game bundles or maybe halo probably wouldn't help much more than it already has because it has limited appeal. Just because other companies don't do what nintendo does, doesn't mean they shouldn't count. Should i remove the 360's headstart from its LTD sales. Would the 360 be doing what its doing now without the revision. The wii hasn't had a revision so is the 360 cheating. Should i remove all those countries the PS2 is sold in because the Wii hasn't been released there. Should the PS3 be considered cheating in others because it has more countries to sell to. My point is all the consoles have some what of an advantage over the others and nothing is stopping the competitors from doing the same.

"What sells the wii in the first place are wii games"

 

NO KIDDING, OMG!!!!!!THAT's SUCH A GREAT DISCOVERY WHY WON'T YOU MAKE A PATENT OF IT?

AND I WAS THINKING IT WERE THE 360 GAMES WHO SOLD THE WII



The Anarchyz said:
eliasg said:
Reach said:

360 will win Americas both Se and Hw.


For sure !!!  Its amazing that an American console is going to win this year in the United States. Even atari didnt succed that, back in the days...


Well, Atari Games (Tengen) and Atari Corp. (owned briefly by Commodore) were just ashes of what Atari Inc. was before the crash (when Warner splitted and sold the company), so they had no chance to compete against the Nintendomination... Atari Inc. was the last American company to dominate the industry in their home turf, now Microsoft has the chance to at least win a year which is incredible after 25 years of Japanese domination (Ninty, Sega, Ninty, Sony and Ninty again)...

not to mention that atari was run by Jack We're a computer company Tremial who was basically unwilling to put more than the bare minimum into thier console line and the 7800 was basically unsupported by anyone and atari didn't release original games for it until about 89, in 1986 its big head line pack in was Pole position, honestly pole position,

not to mention some awful design decision such as using the sound chip from the 2600, featuring no hardware tiling,  and those terrible joysticks

and then the 2600 was nearly a decade old when the nes arrived,  though it actually received much better support than the 7800 with some of its finest efforts arriving in the late 80's (such as solaris, secret quest, radar lock, sprint master, off the wall, Jr. Pacman, and the unfortunately unreleased Save Mary)



I HAVE A DOUBLE DRAGON CAB IN MY KITCHEN!!!!!!

NOW A PUNISHER CAB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reach said:

360 will win Americas both Se and Hw.


I disagree. I think Nintendo will own this Christmas like usual.