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Reasonable on 03 November 2010
nordlead said:

Reasonable said:

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How do you think existing webcams know I'm holding my hand out in a certain position to indicate activate / de-activate something?  I've played with plenty of webcam based routines that do the same thing in principle - work out whether you are in a certain position or not.

So it's definately doeable.  Will a webcam be as accurate as Kinect?  Not sure, probably not quite unless the lighting was good and the resolution suitably good to allow for clear rendering of the body position image, but for the average joe swaying in their living room I can guarantee it can easily be accurate enough to deliver what is perceived by the player as the same experience (with the possible exception Kinect may be better in lower light due to the IR and skeletal tracking).

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at least one person understands what I was getting at without having to write a small essay

You're too kind!



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Metallicube on 03 November 2010

OH NOES! You mean I won't be able to play the amazing Dance Central on my Wii!? How will I cope?? Oh well..

*goes back to playing NSMB Wii



Reasonable on 03 November 2010
daroamer said:
Reasonable said:
Mr Puggsly said:
nordlead said:
Mr Puggsly said:
shuraiya said:

Sometime around E3, I seem to recall Harmonix saying they were looking into bringing Dance central to move because it was possible.

Well unless they created some ground breaking software that gives a simple webcam the same capabilities as the Kinect, I doubt it.

My friend (at my work) wrote software that does exactly what Kinect does using a webcam, Multiple Human body tracking. It really isn't all that ground breaking for what they are using it for. Simple Dancing. Now, I'm not saying my friends webcam is as good as kinect or has all the same features, but it would be good enough for dance central.

Pardon my reluctance to believe that your friend's program, "does exactly what Kinect does using a webcam."

We really don't know how Dance Central takes advantage of the Kinect or if your friend's program would offer the same experience.

How do you think existing webcams know I'm holding my hand out in a certain position to indicate activate / de-activate something?  I've played with plenty of webcam based routines that do the same thing in principle - work out whether you are in a certain position or not.

So it's definately doeable.  Will a webcam be as accurate as Kinect?  Not sure, probably not quite unless the lighting was good and the resolution suitably good to allow for clear rendering of the body position image, but for the average joe swaying in their living room I can guarantee it can easily be accurate enough to deliver what is perceived by the player as the same experience (with the possible exception Kinect may be better in lower light due to the IR and skeletal tracking).


Harmonix made games for EyeToy, they know the tech.  They say couldn't do it until Kinect came along. 

Are you saying they don't know what they're talking about?

The ONLY people I ever see claim all this stuff is possible are forum dwellers, I never see developers go "Oh Kinect?  We can do all the same stuff on the EyeToy."

I'm saying it has to be understood that they're talking about ease of achieving something, not black and white could/couldn't.  As I made clear Kinect should be an easier platform for something like this.  But, as a programmer myself I can see that the title in a very similar form could definately be supported just via a webcam (of suitable resolution) backed with suitable image recognition software.

Also, let's be frank, they have a product to promote and for sure they are over-egging the uniqueness of Kinect to the equation. Just Dance on Wii provides to the player essentially the same experience - you dance.  So I'm not saying they don't know what they're talking about, I'm saying it's pretty obvious they are putting a marketing spin on their comments.

As I also noted both the PS3 and Wii already have successful IP in this space, and they obviously have some form of exclusive agreement with MS at this point, so in their shoes what do you expect them to say?

They noted themselves they could probably bring this title to the Move and you just have to look at what needs to be supported for the title to understand they probably could.



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nordlead on 03 November 2010
daroamer said:

Harmonix made games for EyeToy, they know the tech.  They say couldn't do it until Kinect came along. 

Are you saying they don't know what they're talking about?

The ONLY people I ever see claim all this stuff is possible are forum dwellers, I never see developers go "Oh Kinect?  We can do all the same stuff on the EyeToy."

So, I take it that you believe capcom at their word when they say they can't even manage to get the RE5 title screen to run on the Wii.

Shows how good of programmers they are




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themanwithnoname on 03 November 2010
Metallicube said:

OH NOES! You mean I won't be able to play the amazing Dance Central on my Wii!? How will I cope?? Oh well..

*goes back to playing NSMB Wii

Does your post have a point? I'm sure it'd be ok if I made a similar post in the Nintendo forum, right? Nice flamebait.



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Yakuzaice on 03 November 2010
justinian said:

I have seen demos of crappy web cams doing full motion tracking and I think the PS eye is a level above crappy.

No one is claiming that PSeye is anywhere near as good as kinect for this type of dance "game" so from that point of view it may not be pissible for the EXACT x360 game to work on the PS3. Maybe PSeye can't track 20 limbs at the same time but maybe it can track 19:).

Surely the PS3 PSeye can handle a cut down version of the game with maybe 8 or 12 limbs instead of 20.

It doesn't really need to anyway.  Pretty sure Dance Central only scores one person at a time, anyone else is just seen as an outline by the camera.  Plus the way DC works by just scoring your moves rather than representing it on screen is perfect for hiding any flaws.  Just showing the silhouette avoids any bottom of an avatar's shoe type situations.

A lot of people seem to forget that the Eyetoy existed before the move controllers.  I don't know why some people are acting like nothing but Kinect can do motion tracking.  Odds are it does a better job, but that doesn't mean other devices aren't workable.



Metallicube on 03 November 2010
Yakuzaice said:
justinian said:

I have seen demos of crappy web cams doing full motion tracking and I think the PS eye is a level above crappy.

No one is claiming that PSeye is anywhere near as good as kinect for this type of dance "game" so from that point of view it may not be pissible for the EXACT x360 game to work on the PS3. Maybe PSeye can't track 20 limbs at the same time but maybe it can track 19:).

Surely the PS3 PSeye can handle a cut down version of the game with maybe 8 or 12 limbs instead of 20.

It doesn't really need to anyway.  Pretty sure Dance Central only scores one person at a time, anyone else is just seen as an outline by the camera.  Plus the way DC works by just scoring your moves rather than representing it on screen is perfect for hiding any flaws.  Just showing the silhouette avoids any bottom of an avatar's shoe type situations.

A lot of people seem to forget that the Eyetoy existed before the move controllers.  I don't know why some people are acting like nothing but Kinect can do motion tracking.  Odds are it does a better job, but that doesn't mean other devices aren't workable.

But the Kinect is black and shiny! And it's made by MS! That means it's revolutionary!



Antabus on 03 November 2010
Metallicube said:

OH NOES! You mean I won't be able to play the amazing Dance Central on my Wii!? How will I cope?? Oh well..

*goes back to playing NSMB Wii


Didn't you promise to leave these forums or something?



Metallicube on 03 November 2010
Antabus said:
Metallicube said:

OH NOES! You mean I won't be able to play the amazing Dance Central on my Wii!? How will I cope?? Oh well..

*goes back to playing NSMB Wii


Didn't you promise to leave these forums or something?

No, wasn't a promise. Just exercised the idea. And really it would only be the sales section of the site, seeing that Sony would win every week because of all the extra markets the PS3 is in, and all the surprise is taken out of the sales.

Something tells me you wouldn't mind if I did though :P