AnthonyW86 said:

First of all late me state this: Do you need glasses, are you so mad about something you can't read? What is wrong here!? Let me explain why:

Wrong sir. Wrong. GT5 won't bolster sales for a sustained period. A two week, or maybe three week, increase, and that's it. No one game has EVER boosted sales for a long time, not even Halo. Next year will NOT be as good as this year. PS3 has already reached mass-market appeal with its $299 price, and a $249 price would do relatively nothing in the long-term! It's the no man's land between what is generally accepted as "mass-market" price ($199) and the price that doesn't frighten people away from buying it ($299). In other words, it does nothing. And you are not even entertaining the idea that Sony would like to make a profit! PROFIT. A $199 PS3 isn't profitable and they wouldn't dare to do that soon. Then we have Move. Ah yes, Move. It has boosted sales now, but its sales are NOT going to remain at the level its at now. I don't see why you would think that. The sales are going to stabilize at a lower level, how much I cannot be sure, but it definitely won't stay as high as it is now.

GT5 bolstering sales, who said that? The only reference i gave to GT5 was that it would atleast boost sales THIS year refering to PS3 getting to atleast 45 at the end of the year, that's 1 MONTH.  And $249 price point boosting sales, where have i said that? I said 40 million in total in 3 years, that's only about 13 million a year on average, witch is actually lower than what it's likely to sell this year(so PS3 outperfoming next year isn't even necesseray here). And $199 soon? You call 2013 soon!? That's 2 to 2 and a half years... Again a off moment in reading i pressume, and it makes my 85 million prediction still stand.

And for Move, i never stated it will really boost anything besides the PS3's software library wich actually makes it a double advantage over Wii, since that doesn't just make the difference between the two system's software support even bigger, it also means that together with Kinect Wii isn't the only one doing motion controls anymore, thereby losing it's biggest asset.

WRONG. The PS3 will not have a life cycle of 10 years. Mr. Khan very eloquently stated why and I see no point in reiterating it. But let me say this: the PS3 is no PS2. The PS3 will never, ever sell like the PS2. It won't have nearly as long a life cycle, and sales for the PS3 will plummet in 2012 with the release of the PS4. Yes, the PS4 is going to be releasing in the next few years. Rejecting that notion is ludicrous to the point of insanity.

Rejecting the fact that PS4 is going to launch soon?? What are you talking about i never said that, even more, i AGREE. PS4 will launch in 2014 at the LATEST. But let's just pauze there for a second. Let's go crazy and say PS4 launches in 2013, not crazy enough? Let's say PS4 in 2012! By that time PS3 will be 6 years old. You know how old the PS2 was when the PS3 launched? Suprise, 6 years! So even if Sony would announce a PS4 a year from now, that's not going to stop PS3 to see 10 years at the VERY least. Even more importantly though, PS4 launching will not make PS3 stop selling out of the blue. PS2 comforably outsold the PS3 in it's first year, and sold on par in the second. And what does PS3 need to sell in those years to get to 100 million? 5 million a year... you want to know what PS2 shipped so far this year even before the holiday's, over 10 years after launch? 4.6 million!

The ONLY title is Zelda? You just shot yourself in the foot with that statement. Donkey Kong. Epic Mickey. These have chances to boost sales as well. I don't think you ignored them, but casually overlooked the idea that Wii could have software so you didn't bother to even check! Yet I am not entertaining the notion that any of these games could bring Wii's former fervor back. I think they won't do one thing at all.

Seriously are you toying with me here, again have you read anything? Let's quote what i said: ''The only really big title we have coming up after this year''. And you're reaction is Donkey Kong and Epic Mickey!? I could be wrong but aren't those games releasing in a few weeks? And i forgot to check? But i am pleased that we can atleast agree on the fact that none of these titles will get Wii selling like the old days.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Ninty would rather swallow acid than not release a new console when theirs is dying. The generation will end in a couple or a few years (again, reference Mr. Khan's post).

Now here you really lost me... You're saying Nintendo will release a new console even earlier than 2013? I agree i say 2012 is very much possible aswell.... but wouldn't that make Wii stop selling even earlier on? That actually makes the chance of the PS3 outselling Wii bigger!

Are you determinedly ignoring the PS2? The PS2 was an affordable price, yet the PS1 still kept on chugging. Why? Because it was CHEAPER and people STILL WANTED it. The Wii will be much cheaper than the Super Wii, and people would still want to buy it. And don't bring up hardware comparisons. I will laugh scornfully at you if you think that is a valid reason for anything.

Now here we finally get to some sensible discussion. This is indeed something we can disagree on, the reason why i also noted Wii's future as ''doubtfull''. Yes the Wii will be much cheaper, but the PS2 comaprison is flawed again because of something you obviously overlooked. Like i said Nintendo will launch there next system at a affordable price point. PS2 successor? It launched at $599, that's NOT an affordable price point. And although Sony is unlikely to make that same mistake again, PS4 will be alot more expensive than Nintendo's future offering, probably sticking to 360's $399 launch price. Again the cheaper the successor, the less reason to buy the old model. But now the important one, will people still want it? As i already said, Wii is at an severe dissadvantage when it comes to power, it simply is outdated. And while Wii has already proven that power isn't everything, it does make it less future proof. And again software is a big reason, if not the biggest for people to want a system. And that's where the Wii is already hurting the most.

To proof price isn't everything, just look back at the same generation you pointed out yourself, that of the PS2. Xbox was the same price as the PS2 but did people still want it? No. Did it survive 10 years? It practically died the moment the 360 was announced, after just four years. And then we have the Gamecube, witch was actually cheaper at the end than the PS2. Did people still want it? No. Did it survive for long? It got a great goodbye with Zelda: The Twillight Princess, but that's probably the biggest problem right there. Nintendo made it available on the Wii aswell, and with the affordable price tag off the Wii people were al to easy to forget about the Gamecube, you could even buy the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess and play it on your brand new Wii.

So please answer me this one question, do you truly believe there will be that many reasons to want a Wii in the future?

Both are going to nearly double their bases?  5 years in?  I just find that hard to believe, despite the PR assurances of standard 10 year cycles (that's working out great for PSP btw) or add ons giving them an extra 5 years to try and actually make money on this whole thing...

Why, should I have participated a lot more, then? Does anyone seriously believe PS3 will end in 1st place? XD

Wow you seriously think the PS3 and 360 won't reach 75 million? I just figured that was a given at this point in time.