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Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:
Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:
Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:

It's also demonstrably untrue since American products like the Apple Ipod and even symbols of American consumerism like McDonalds do well there.


Those are the exceptions to the rule.


So basically you are asserting that your position is unfalsifiable. There are many more "exceptions to the rule" like them, american branded clothing goods are very popular as well. If nationalism were the issue, there shouldn't be so many exceptions to the rule. The reality is that products that appeal to the Japanese' values as well as suit Japanese lifestyle do well, those that do not, do not. The XBox brand has never really matched these values, and having a few members of the declining jRPG genre is not enough to make it so.

Name 5 poplular american brands in japan and you cant include McDonalds, Apple, Levi, and Windows.


FIne: Harley Davidson, Coca-Cola, Google, Abercrombie, Starbucks, American beers (Japan is the biggest importer), American furniture, Jack Daniels.

More exceptions to the rule.

Hollywood movies are pretty popular in Japan as well, so is Disney and even Marvel comics. It seems to be western games specifically they have a problem with, I believe that some people from Square-enix recently mentioned there has been a long standing stigma about western games dating back to the NES games where western games were of poor quality compared  to Japanese games, and that is so ingrained that the slang term for western games basically means bad game, I think this has carried over to the 360. It's not really that they hate western brands totally, but they do prefer their own brands, but not to the point where western brands aren't popular.



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Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:
Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:
Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:

It's also demonstrably untrue since American products like the Apple Ipod and even symbols of American consumerism like McDonalds do well there.


Those are the exceptions to the rule.


So basically you are asserting that your position is unfalsifiable. There are many more "exceptions to the rule" like them, american branded clothing goods are very popular as well. If nationalism were the issue, there shouldn't be so many exceptions to the rule. The reality is that products that appeal to the Japanese' values as well as suit Japanese lifestyle do well, those that do not, do not. The XBox brand has never really matched these values, and having a few members of the declining jRPG genre is not enough to make it so.

Name 5 poplular american brands in japan and you cant include McDonalds, Apple, Levi, and Windows.


FIne: Harley Davidson, Coca-Cola, Google, Abercrombie, Starbucks, American beers (Japan is the biggest importer), American furniture, Jack Daniels.

More exceptions to the rule.


Haha, unfalsifiable like I said. I could just keep listing them and you'd still call them "exceptions to the rule".

 

American cigarette brands, Disney, Warhammer, Magic: the Gathering, Star Wars.

Obviously Japanese are soo nationalistic that they won't buy an XBox but that ends as soon as they want to watch a Disney movie or smoke an American cigarette.



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Jordahn said:
AlkamistStar said:
Jordahn said:
kowenicki said:
Jordahn said:
AlkamistStar said:
kowenicki said:

360...wins again.

its just how it is now.

black friday will be very interesting.


My thoughts exactly. I love that America is supporting their console, much like the Japanese do with theirs. Microsoft has hit a sweet spot, and i think it'll be there for quite some time. I'm eagerly looking forward to Black Friday, and the Kinect launch.

I cannot believe people are still hanging on to this kind of Myth.  If nothing else, 360s and PS3s are NOT being completely manufactured and assembled in their native countries.  Besides, the Wii still has the largest userbase in America regardless of 360 sales being stronger recently.  I believe in competition before I succumb to national loyaty of a product.  Not smart shopping.

whats up? in a bad mood or something?

I wouldn't say "bad."  But it's human nature to expose the truth to erroneous claims.

What "Myth" are you referring to? You've completely missed the point in which case makes my post no much more "erroneous" than your assertion.

This has nothing to do with where consoles are being manufactured, and assembled. It has to do with the company they represent. Last time i checked Microsoft was an American company, and Sony - a Japanese one. I have a PS3 - look me up i'm currently playing Uncharted 2 online. Oh and would you look at that, i have a X360 too, and i currently playing Bioshock 1 for some acheivement whoring...wow...

I believe in competition just as much as the next guy, as i do "smart shopping". However that doesn't mean i'm not happy about MY country supporting THEIR company, and their product(s).


This myth... " I love that America is supporting their console, much like the Japanese do with theirs."  I've already explained the principle behind this flawed argument.

You haven't explained ANYTHING. You made a statement that had nothing to do with my argument. This isn't a "myth". Japanese people support Japanese products more so than another country's. This isn't rocket science, maybe you've been under a rock(?)



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Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:
Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:
Jadedx said:
Demotruk said:

It's also demonstrably untrue since American products like the Apple Ipod and even symbols of American consumerism like McDonalds do well there.


Those are the exceptions to the rule.


So basically you are asserting that your position is unfalsifiable. There are many more "exceptions to the rule" like them, american branded clothing goods are very popular as well. If nationalism were the issue, there shouldn't be so many exceptions to the rule. The reality is that products that appeal to the Japanese' values as well as suit Japanese lifestyle do well, those that do not, do not. The XBox brand has never really matched these values, and having a few members of the declining jRPG genre is not enough to make it so.

Name 5 poplular american brands in japan and you cant include McDonalds, Apple, Levi, and Windows.


FIne: Harley Davidson, Coca-Cola, Google, Abercrombie, Starbucks, American beers (Japan is the biggest importer), American furniture, Jack Daniels.

More exceptions to the rule.

Let's save time.  The Japanese simply love many exports from both US and Europe and they love many aspects of our culture, films, music, etc.  All the while retaining their own local culture.

The 360 is the exception, not the other way round.  They just don't like the bulk of the titles on it, I suspect the idea of paying for Live simply doesn't work well in the region and for various historic reasons the Xbox brand is simply poor in the region overall.

You are going to get nowhere arguing the Japanese don't like or invest in external products/culture because they absolutely do, sometimes to a fairly crazy degree.

But, locally, no matter how hard it is for you to accept it, the 360 and it's titles, the Xbox brand itself and most popular western genres just ain't that attractive and there's nothing to say they have to like it so far as I can see.

You might as well argue we should all like JRPGs and Sushi and stop playing online FPS.

For the record I do like Sushi but am ambivalent to JRPGs but do enjoy online FPS, but mainly on a PC.

Ah variety.



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AlkamistStar said:
Jordahn said:
AlkamistStar said:
Jordahn said:
kowenicki said:
Jordahn said:
AlkamistStar said:
kowenicki said:

360...wins again.

its just how it is now.

black friday will be very interesting.


My thoughts exactly. I love that America is supporting their console, much like the Japanese do with theirs. Microsoft has hit a sweet spot, and i think it'll be there for quite some time. I'm eagerly looking forward to Black Friday, and the Kinect launch.

I cannot believe people are still hanging on to this kind of Myth.  If nothing else, 360s and PS3s are NOT being completely manufactured and assembled in their native countries.  Besides, the Wii still has the largest userbase in America regardless of 360 sales being stronger recently.  I believe in competition before I succumb to national loyaty of a product.  Not smart shopping.

whats up? in a bad mood or something?

I wouldn't say "bad."  But it's human nature to expose the truth to erroneous claims.

What "Myth" are you referring to? You've completely missed the point in which case makes my post no much more "erroneous" than your assertion.

This has nothing to do with where consoles are being manufactured, and assembled. It has to do with the company they represent. Last time i checked Microsoft was an American company, and Sony - a Japanese one. I have a PS3 - look me up i'm currently playing Uncharted 2 online. Oh and would you look at that, i have a X360 too, and i currently playing Bioshock 1 for some acheivement whoring...wow...

I believe in competition just as much as the next guy, as i do "smart shopping". However that doesn't mean i'm not happy about MY country supporting THEIR company, and their product(s).


This myth... " I love that America is supporting their console, much like the Japanese do with theirs."  I've already explained the principle behind this flawed argument.

You haven't explained ANYTHING. You made a statement that had nothing to do with my argument. This isn't a "myth". Japanese people support Japanese products more so than another country's. This isn't rocket science, maybe you've been under a rock(?)

Such denial...



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Jordahn said:

 

AlkamistStar said:

You haven't explained ANYTHING. You made a statement that had nothing to do with my argument. This isn't a "myth". Japanese people support Japanese products more so than another country's. This isn't rocket science, maybe you've been under a rock(?)

 

Such denial...

Stick to one liners...it works for you when you have no valid argument.



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AlkamistStar said:
Jordahn said:

 

AlkamistStar said:

You haven't explained ANYTHING. You made a statement that had nothing to do with my argument. This isn't a "myth". Japanese people support Japanese products more so than another country's. This isn't rocket science, maybe you've been under a rock(?)

 

Such denial...

Stick to one liners...it works for you when you have no valid argument.


Several posters in this thread have already proven you wrong by citing several American products that are successful in Japan.  But simply put, "Such denial..."  You're just going to do it again regardless of reasoning.  If you are not going to believe that Japanese do support American products because it's what they want, then what's the pont to trying to reason with you?



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Hrm maybe Japanese people don't like what the 360 offers them over the PS3 in terms of exclusives which is mainly a few failing JRPGs, shooters, Fable and Alan Wake.  I'm not saying the 360 doesn't have exclusives, but maybe those exclusives don't appeal to the Japanese gamer, just maybe?

The PS3 exclusives of FF13 (in Japan), Yakuza series, and Demon Souls may fare better with that audience.  Throw in the blu ray thing (might not be a big deal to them) and the DVR add-on (which seems to be selling pretty well) and the only thing that the 360 has over the PS3 to the Japanese gamer are a few exclusives that they don't care too much about, XBL and entry level price.

Contrast that to USA where the exclusives do matter more (Netflix exclusivity for a while, Halo, Gears, Fable) and PS3 add-ons like the DVR don't exist and you have a much more level playing field.

I will admit that nationalism might come in to play, all other things equal between the two systems but the two systems are NOT equal in anyone's eyes and thus I don't think nationalism would come into play much.



EncodedNybble said:

Hrm maybe Japanese people don't like what the 360 offers them over the PS3 in terms of exclusives which is mainly a few failing JRPGs, shooters, Fable and Alan Wake.  I'm not saying the 360 doesn't have exclusives, but maybe those exclusives don't appeal to the Japanese gamer, just maybe?

The PS3 exclusives of FF13 (in Japan), Yakuza series, and Demon Souls may fare better with that audience.  Throw in the blu ray thing (might not be a big deal to them) and the DVR add-on (which seems to be selling pretty well) and the only thing that the 360 has over the PS3 to the Japanese gamer are a few exclusives that they don't care too much about, XBL and entry level price.

Contrast that to USA where the exclusives do matter more (Netflix exclusivity for a while, Halo, Gears, Fable) and PS3 add-ons like the DVR don't exist and you have a much more level playing field.

I will admit that nationalism might come in to play, all other things equal between the two systems but the two systems are NOT equal in anyone's eyes and thus I don't think nationalism would come into play much.


Nicely  put, and if only certain people would realize that FPS and online isn't popular everywhere, nor that all features a console might offer in one country are available everywhere, and that it is perfectly plausible (without any nationalistic bias) that which console seems to have the best library/feature set really can vary by region.



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