move is sold out in most places as well... so the shipped figure isn't far off from the consumer sales

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=78144&loc=sonymove_btn_buynow

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-Move-Controller-3/dp/B002I0J51U/ref=pd_ts_vg_22?ie=UTF8&s=videogames

also counting nav controllers and ps eye units as "MOVE units" is sad, is it so hard to believe the move has sold that well? Or does it have to flop in order for it to be true in your eyes

Except that the starter bundle has not been sold out anywhere and that's what determines new householdes with move.

Anyway if believing that move has a 2.5 million userbase (with best selling game less than 30k in the U.S and less than 40k in the U.K) makes some people sleep better at nights then so be it.

The impact that kinect will have on the market will be felt so when the 360 sales skyrocket and we see actual kinect games entering the charts (non-bundled ones) , you guys can keep hanging on sony's shipped numbers of controllers plus starter packs and declare move a huge success, it won't change anythng in the real world .

i hope move does sell that much, but we shall have to wait and see how well kinect does

SC likely was, but only including bundles.  I was talking unbundled for both UK and US.

And I'm not "moving on", I just giving out an actual "sold" figure we have for comparison.  I'm also curious how much Eyepet shipped, could make for an interesting comparison.

It's worth remembering the decent EyePet install base prior to Move.  Part of what made me try Move was I already had the camera due to EyePet.  That meant it was a fairly inexpensive single Wand purchase to try it out.  I've got 2 Wands and a Navi now, but they entry price was low.

Given the Move edition of Eyepet is way better I'd say in Europe a fair number of EyePet owners must have purchased at least 1 Wand - and I think at Move launch there was over 500K Eyepet install base in Europe.

The existing install base for Eyepet, Heavy Rain and RE5:Gold would easily have helped Move have a good launch I think.

It seems clear that any shortages are around the Move itself rather than the Bundle, which makes me more sure this is correct.  I'd guess at launch Sony had too many bundles in place and not enough standalone Moves.  I understand most retail allocations had more bundles than single controllers.

When do you think we'll get Japan move numbers?

The problem is though if you realisticly look at it those numbers could mean anything. They could mean 2.5m Move compatible products for all we know i.e games ala RE5 etc.. The fact Sony didn't release any actual numbers means there is probably a reason why they didn't do that. They didn't go into details. 

What we do know for a fact is that for 14 days on sale SC sold just 38k in UK. One of the biggest gaming markets on the planet. There are 3.2m PS3's in the UK. That is  nearly 1m more then any other EMEAA country. That is a lot of PS3's there. But yet only 38k of them in september bought Sports Champions.  

 Move is not out in japan so at the time of release the UK represented the 2nd biggest Sony market. If we assume this 2.5m means controllers/starter packs then that is just crazy. People mention it is sold out but yet today in Best Buy i saw literally shead loads of starter packs in the 20% off sale. For a product supposedly so much in demand why is it in the sale? Why on websites such as play has it fallen to number 28 in the charts? Something selling 2.5m units you would think would be riding high right? Like Fifa for example. Pretty much been number 1-5 the past 3 weeks in the charts. However that has sold a lot less then 2.5m on PS3. Are Sony seriously suggesting that Move is more popular then Fifa? Obiously that would be silly. The other question is then if in UK it is doing bad what regions is it doing well? The rest of europe?

The next best PS3 selling region in europe is  france. But if you look at the french chart that Giggs puts up your see Sports Champions is not in the top 10. In Holland it didn't make the top 10. Norway was 6th, 12th in Sweden, 18th in UK, 8th in Finland, 10th in Italy, 8th in Denmark, didn't make it into the top 10 in Germany,  etc etc. Point being as you can see on every chart it is outside the top 6 and on the majority of european charts outside the top 10. For a product to be selling as much as Sony try to imply it would be far more noticable. Like for example let's look at Fifa 11 for the same week on PS3. 1st in Holland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, France, Germany and Denmark.  2nd in Italy,  5th in UK. Basically first or 2nd in every region in Europe. And how much did it sell for that week? 150k....

So a game that was number 1 nearly everywhere sold 150k. How much did Sports Champions sell? 23k....

It is about being logical .Sony said in their statement that they shipped 1.5m controllers to europe. Seeing as SC has sold in total 258k there that would indicate that there were 1.2m people in europe who had not bought that game. Seeing as it is the flagship game it would be more dominant in the regions games charts, which it hasen't.

Which basically then boils down to what Sony define as a Move unit? Either way whatever people decide that to be there are not 2.5m people playing Move. There are probably not even 1m people playing Move. Because if there were why would they buy the controller but not the flagship game?

So in terms of Kinect versus Move you simply can't compare them. Because when we see Kinect sales we will know each one is to a unique house. It is unlikely you will find more then 1 Kinect in a home. However you could find multiple Move controllers in a home. MS when they report numbers will say what it sold, they won't put it in some code. They will say Kinect sold XYZ amounts. Sony for some reason don't want to do that. I personally would guess Move sold to around 500k-600k unique buyers. I would expect Kinect to sell more then that in it's first week easily.

Probably not until Sony says something or MC or Famitsu numbers. Based on the japan previews lately, sadly it wont be Sunday, imo.

LMAO!!!

For a guy writing a wall of text with logic as his main argument, you're not being logical at all.

A Move unit is the motion controller, thats the move. The camera, nav and anything else related to the move experience is not a move unit. Move is the glowing stick. Simple as that. A calculated Move unit however comes in different forms, a single Move controller, a Move starter kit and a Move Bundle etc. They dont count a Move starter kit with additional nav controller as 3 Move sales (Move controller, one camera, one nav). They ship units, not items! Thats also how they count their sales.. in units, not items.

So they've shipped 2.5m units. Simple as that. That would mean, that if there's a dual Move bundle out there, number of Move's on the market could be more than 2.5m, but since the two is bought as one unit, it is listed as one unit.

How do you expect Sony to release numbers on how many of those 2.5m units went into unique homes? How do you even gather such numbers? Its like trying to gather console sales numbers based on how many DS3s thats been sold. If i buy two units.. one with Move Nav, and one with just the Move (2 Moves 1 nav), how do you expect Sony to report that as single unit? They sold two. Or if i buy a PS3 Move bundle, and another Move controller, how would Sony get the information that im a single sale that plan to play "The Fight"?

Obviously people have bought multiple Move controllers! And pointing fingers at Sony for not publishing impossible unique user numbers seems a bit illogical dont you think?