I'm waiting for a "buy 2 get 1 free" promo Best Buy does every year to pick mine up, but I genuinly enjoyed this IGN review. I'm a huge fan of the series and it brought all my concerns into attention, and unfortunatly from what I read GT has not met those concerns.

I'm really excited about this game especially the simulator aspect, I've had instances where I've tried to stop a FF car at 200km/h (124 mph), in the rain, and it really fishtails. Also windsheild wiper blades on a normal car don't work at those speeds. I'm excited to see GT emulate this, it will no doubt be the best.

However reading this review, new concerns were raised to me. The non-responsive AI for one. How can a game this polished have AI that don't pay attention to your driving choices? Why do they not try to avoid collisions? This is something that would seriously take away from the game for me.

Also, only 200 cars only have in car views? I was really hopinh to race some of my friends cars, as well as my own, with an in car view and compare the game with the real life aspects of the car. Including how the car sounds, feels, stops, corners, accelerates, and how well the odometers follow the engine revs. However there seems to be a massive gap in quality between car models.

I'm sorry if I rant, but I am seriously dissapointed with this review score. I'll hae to judge the game for myself this week as one of my friends already has it and has invited me over for some multiplayer racing. Hope other reviews are higher because it's sad when Need for Speed gets a higher review score then GT..

No, I don't think GT6 will release in the PS3 at all.

I never said the 360 would release in 2014. I think the 360 will release in 2012 or 2013. If it releases in 2012, then I think the PS3 will release a year later.

I think the next nintendo console will release in 2012. Sales are still outpacing the PS2 and I think it can definitely flourish without a new console next year. That would give it a 6 year lifespan which is average.

If the 720 gets a head start on PS4, that wouldn't hurt sony. The reason Sony had a bad start was because of Price, lack of games, and difficulty to program for. If sony can get their first party devs to make games early in the PS4's life cycle, then the PS4 would be fine. 

Nintendo 6: 2012

XBOX 3: 2012 - 2013

PS4: 2013 - 2014

Back on topic. GT5 will have at least 3/4 years before the next PS console releases, unlike GT2 (which had 1 year), and GT4 (which had 2 years), and they both sold around 10mil. And GT5 will be heavily bundled, so I stick with my prediction for GT5 selling 9-11 in it's lifetime. I'll come back to this thread in 2013 when my prediction comes true lol.

I think developing the PS4 itself will be difficult. Even if the PS3 drops to $200 next year, if MS and Nintendo release consoles in 2012-2013, the PS3 will still be an expensive system, and I don't see how they can make the PS4 any better unless they go the way of motion controls instead of hardware jump like Nintendo did. Also I really doubt Sony will release the PS4 in 2014 if Nintendo releases their console in 2012. 2 year difference is too much..

As for GT, good point, GT1 had 2 years before GT2 was released, GT2 had 2 years before GT3 was released, and only a little over a year until the PS2 was released. GT3 had 4 years before GT4 was released, and GT4 had 5 years before GT5 was released, but only a year and a half before the PS3 was released.

However GT3 and GT4 sales in EMEAA and Japan are about the same, despite the PS3 launch potentially cutting off hype for GT4. The only difference in sales was in Americas where GT3 saw heavy bundling. I don't think a console release hurts games, I know people who bought GT4 when they bought their PS3's (backward compatible models).

Still a good point, and only a week to wait to see week 1 sales figures.

From my part it will sell at least equal to others and better than third (the only one i don't own)

do you think you can see the difference in sales with a score of 8.5 in comparison to a score of 9.5 ?

I don't think so

only real hardcore nerds get angry over some bad shadows

atleast you wont see a difference of 700k

Tell Metroid: Other M that scores don't matter. Tell that to GT PSP, Lost Planet 2, and many other established franchises.

If GT5 is more poorly rated then compeditors, then it will no longer have the crowning achievment of "best" simulator, and that will hurt sales because media attention and hype will switch onto compeditor franchises.

I forgot to add that a differenc by only 1 point wont matter because people still will see it as a good game with a avarage rating of 88

if it would have an avarge rating of let's say 65 ... you probably would see it in sales

because it's not a good game (like lost planet 2 if you count the reviews)

the crowning achievment of best... doesn't really matter either

mw 1 was a way better game as mw 2

story wise and also mp wise (imba maps , imba perks)

SO why is Call of duty black ops trashing Halo reach sales wise then despite having less score? I know because your point is bullshit.

I liked MW2 better, and it got better ratings, but thats besides the point.

GT5 will still sell amazing, I only said that i'm looking more favorably at my original 8.5 million prediction, but I still stand by my 9.3 million prediction.

P.S. Metascore is 86/100, and generally metascores go down after the first few days of release as haters post up reviews.

So many wrong things you said there...just soo many.

First of all, I said not being the best will hurt sales, not kill them.

Second MW2 generally got higher ratings then Halo 3 and Reach, which hurt Reach's image. This is one reason why Reach is only selling 7% better then Halo 3 despite over double the userbase.

Third Black Ops meta score is 88/100, Halo Reach is 91/100, the difference is only 3%, thats not much, by no means as big as Forza 3 to GT5 will eventually grow to (currently it's 6%, but like I said after a couple weeks metascores go down).

Forth, it's stupid to judge games by metascores, I generally try to stick with established websites. IGN gave Forza 3 a 9.4/10, and GT5 an 8.5/10. Hence my dissapointment. I expected GT5 to score higher then Forza 3, but scoring a full 9% lower? That not only makes Forza 3 a better game, but of another league in quality. I'm going to play GT5 later today, so I'll judge if that review isn't overly critical, but for now I am not expecting much.

Finally Black Ops sales are not trashing Halo Reach sales, but it is selling better. Black Ops was released during the Holiday season, and just like MW2 it will have a strong sales early on. They will level off though, eventually BOs will outsell Halo Reach, but both games will top 10 million, probably even 12 million. The difference between the two will be at best 2-3 million, which by no means is trashing

So :P meanie