Well I'm Canadian, and from Quebec, probably one of the most open province in Canada. There was a girl in my class, when I was in high school, that came out and all of her friends abandonned her and looked down on her afterwards. Most people in my family do not understand gays either and find it disgusting. I never told them I'm bi, but since I'm with a guy, that doesn't matter I guess. XD I would certainly not say that gays are treated nicer, in fact the issue is still the contrary.

Bullying is a big deal in all schools, I agree Fag is a term used alot though in my personal experiance it is rarely actually aimed at a homosexual individual. I don't know where you teach but I live near Vancouver in the fastest growing city in Canada.

I won't deny gays get bullied but at least in the school I attended I was picked on alot for being a homophobe. Bisexuality is more common than homosexuality and their were bi orgies from groups of catholics which suprised me. Fact is gays did get bullied but so did nerds and other groups they were no more picked on then anyone else. Everyone was going Bi and as I said two of my friends went gay.

I went to the biggest inner city school in the city. I was offered a glock on the way to class once for 100$ and a joint inside science class. Fights broke out daily and the police were called in almost every day to break them up. I was bullied my whole life including highschool and I was bullied about being a homophobe.

P.S- my moms a kindergarten teacher here in BC and has to teach gay sex ed to the kindergarteners. Homosexuality here is becoming more and more common.

Their are clichs in my school and gays and bi's had their own groups, just like any other click's bullying obviously occured but the gay movement was extremely popular in my school.

So now I'm commiting hate crimes by having an opinion? This is exactly the shit I'm talking about. If I disagree with you or any other gay individual it is homophobia, this is the first time I have been accused of actually commiting a hate crime and attacking gays. How do you figure I'm attacking anyone?

She was to John Hinckley Jr., look at what he wrote before the attempt.

"Over the past seven months I've left you dozens of poems, letters and love messages in the faint hope that you could develop an interest in me. Although we talked on the phone a couple of times I never had the nerve to simply approach you and introduce myself. [...] the reason I'm going ahead with this attempt now is because I cannot wait any longer to impress you."

He was obsessed with her, he even described the attempt as "the greatest love offering in the history of the world". She was his religion.

@Joelcool7:

I thought that gays deserved recognition as a couple. How ever the gays in my community didn't want just common law and unions they wanted to get married in churchs and in government buildings they wanted to impose their beliefs on pastors and civil servents.

Civil servants work for the state. They have to respect the state's laws. Their personal beliefs don't matter. The pastor issue is something else entirely.

I believe marriage is between a man and a woman before God and so does the majority of faiths from Jews to Muslims. As such Marriage is a religious act.

Civil marriage isn't a religious act. Different religions can marry whomever they want, but the State can't discriminate, nor should it care how religions define marriage. Marriage predates any current religion (Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc.).

That is why I disagree with gay marriage, I compromised and said yah they should have unions and be recognized but the gay movement doesn't compromise they either get what they want or keep pushing for what they want, they do what ever they have to.

That "compromise" is no different than segregation.

As for another Canadian's position. I live near Vancouver known as sin city and the people in my area are very open with their sexuality. I know the laws here and I'm pretty sure their similiar else where in the country, but I don't know how popular homosexuality is in other parts of the country I know it isn't very popular in the praries but it seems to be pretty big in Ontario too.

You obviously don't know a lot about what sexual orientation is, if you use words like "popular" regarding homosexuality, as if it were a fashion trend or something.

But then again the jocks also called me a homophobe and the catholics who had their orgy parties.

Sorry. You either live in some alternate universe, or you're a pathological liar. I agree with the people on this forum saying you're a liar. I doubt any of this is true.

I don't consider myself a homophobe I consider myself straight. Just because I disagree with one issue (Gay marriage) doesn't mean I'm a homophobe. Just because I think its a sin does not make me a homophobe.

Since homosexuality (like any sexual orientation) is an innate characteristic of a person, you saying that homosexuality is a sin is no different than someone saying that being black is a sin. If you think it's a sin then you are a homophobe!

Sexual orientation, I believe some people have more estrogin then testosterone in their systems causing some of this attraction. I do believe that it is popularity because why are we suddenly seeing so many gays? Why for centuries were their pretty much none? During the middle ages during the early 1800's. I know I know their were gays in greece during the roman era. But why is it suddenly theirs a ton of them? Either theirs something wrong in the gene pool and this is an anomally like autism and other disabilities or its a choice.

I believe their are some geniune gays but as I said I don't believe the majority of them are actually born that way. I believe alot of it is psychological. A perfect example is a gay guy I know (Not friend) was going to marry a lesbian he fell in love with and they wanted to have children. He got paralyzed in a car accident and she left him. They made a choice to marry and live normal lives, nobody is forcing a person who is attracted to the same sex to go sleep with them.

As for me lying, what do I have to gain from lying? I'm fighting for a lost cause after all and I'm totally out gunned. Making stuff up would just ruin my credibility and I am not for that. I talk from my own experiances I don't really care if you don't believe me.

P.S I am not against people for liking someone of the same sex. I am against the act of having sex with someone of the same sex. Sex is a choice being black is not, being brown is not being white is not. I am also pro gay rights just not pro gay marriage. I believe "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" as such we are all sinners and none of us is perfect.

I just think homosexuality (The act of having sex with the same gender) is a sin! Doesn't mean I hate gay people, I have friends who are man whores but they are my best friends. So it doesn't matter to me what your sexual orientation is it doesn't even really matter if you sin.

The only thing that matters to me is that I am not forced or pushed to do something against my religious beliefs. That my pastors and my belief that homosexuality is a sin be respected.

@Joelcool7:

I do believe that it is popularity because why are we suddenly seeing so many gays? Why for centuries were their pretty much none? During the middle ages during the early 1800's. I know I know their were gays in greece during the roman era. But why is it suddenly theirs a ton of them? Either theirs something wrong in the gene pool and this is an anomally like autism and other disabilities or its a choice.

What? Do you not know how gays were treated in the past? Have you not heard of gay peopel pretending to be straight, marrying people of the opposite sex, so they'd escape the wrath of the homophobic society?

I believe alot of it is psychological. A perfect example is a gay guy I know (Not friend) wqas going to marry a lesbian he fell in love with and they wanted to have children. He got paralyzed in a car accident and she left him. They made a choice to marry and live normal lives, nobody is forcing a person who is attracted to the same sex to go sleep with them.

I don't know why he was marrying her, but sexual orientation reffers to who you are attracted to. Maybe they were doing that because they were friends and they wanted a "normal" (such an insulting use of the word) life. Maybe they were bi and not gay. I have no ideea why they were gonna do that. However, that chick was a real b***h for dumping the guy after his accident. What happened to him afterwards?

As for me lying, what do I have to gain from lying? I'm fighting for a lost cause after all and I'm totally out gunned. Making stuff up would just ruin my credibility and I am not for that. I talk from my own experiances I don't really care if you don't believe me.

Even other people frrom Canada have commented here, and they say pretty much the opposite of what you say. Either you're lying, living in an alternate universe, or you're crazy/paranoid and have a weird pperception of reality.

I am against the act of having sex with someone of the same sex. Sex is a choice being black is not, being brown is not being white is not.

Why shouldn't gay people have sex with the people they like? Why should they foce themselves to be staright, to be something against who they are? Could you have sex with another guy? How would you feel if you were pushed into marrying a guy and having sex with him?

The only thing that matters to me is that I am not forced or pushed to do something against my religious beliefs. That my pastors and my belief that homosexuality is a sin be respected.

Sorry, a belief like "homosexuality is a sin" cannot be respected, the same way a racist belief, or a mysoginistic belief can't be respected. You're free to hold it, but it's simply a wrong and hateful belief, so don't be upset that other people call you on it. Plus, how many beleifs must be tolerated due to religious reasons? Will we start tolerating human sacrifices again?

I dont think i have EVER in my life seen so much double standared hypocrites and ignornce in one plce as i have in this thread today. Dear God...

His family is taking care of him as far as I know. He used to be my mom's neighbour. I feel so sorry for him I would hate to be a parapalygic. Can anything worse really happen to a person? Really sad, and whats almost as bad is the driver of his car was drunk and speeding. Luckily no one died but that man is going to have to live the rest of his life paralyzed because one idiot descided it was okay to drink and drive.

Canada is a big country and their are lots of different provinces and people in this country. heck the country doesn't even have a single language. I just assumed based on my experiances that the rest of Canada was probubly similiar. Am I living in an alternate reality? Well I was born and raised here in this reality I understand the US is alot different and I guess based on the comments from Quebec and other people from Canada the whole country is obviously not as forward thinking as my school was. But I stick by what I have said I'm not lying and have nothing to gain from doing so.

Could I have sex with another guy, thats a trick question if I say yes you'll say I'm gay if I say no you'll say I'm a hypocrit. So I won't answer the question, but considering how much I value my faith you should be able to come to the conclusion yourself.

Human sacrafices are a thing of the past. Look at it this way alot of people are trying to legalize euthonasia, whats the difference? I believe suicide is wrong and a sin but if someone chooses to terminate their life isn't that their decision? (Oh boy I just opened a huge can of worms)

If you continue to monitor my beliefs in this board on other issues I'm sure you will find I am fairly liberal and a very moderate Christian.  Anyways I'm going to be up North probubly this week and their is only dial up , up their so chances of me responding further in this thread is unlikely. I look forward to chatting with you in other topics and discussions upon my arrival home.

While I respect your interpretation, you are teetering on a massive slippery slope.  By that line of thought, any obsession can be thought of as a religion.  Semantically, and logically, that is incorrect.  Music is (literally) my life and calling, but I don't worship Orpheus or Pan. 

Plus there are numerous religious people who are most definitely not obsessed with that facet of their life (they merely take comfort in it).  I am not particularly religous myself, but I do see the value in it.  Not everyone is born with a moral compass and religion can provide that.  Only when taken to extremes does it become a problem.

I haven't been keeping up with this thread (as it's entirely derailed at this point). If you wouldn't mind terribly could you give some examples of this hypocracy so I could have even a small chance of re-entering this conversation?

The last page or so is riddled with convoluted quote boxes and italiced/non-italicized text and everyone is using different formatting techniques. It's all very confusing! >.<