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Severance said:
KungKras said:

Now I want you to find me one third party game that is like Zelda OoT, one FPS that is like the Metroid Primes, and one game that was like Super Smash Bros before it came out. It's impossible. It seems like Nintendo's games actually stand out from all the standard genre-defined games of third parties and the like doesn't it?

inspirations are not rip offs, don't you know SSB is inspired by this game?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lxapXSAijw

Metroid Prime is also not the first FPS ever created btw, or should i say First Person Adventure (since metroid isn't a "shooter" in that sense )

Ok, so Smash Bros does play like that game. But there are still no shooter like Metroid Prime. and there are no Adventure game like the 3D Zeldas.

With most of the Sony first party games I mentioned, there is always a third party game that did almost identical gameplay first. But with Nintnedo's games, usually the only game that has similar gameplay is an earlier Nintendo game in the same series. That was my point and it still stands.



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evolution_1ne said:
KungKras said:
9Chiba said:

Can you name me one game that released before Killzone which has the same gritty atmosphere?

can you name me one gamer that plays games just for atmosphere?


You got to it before me xD

Altohugh my reply was going to be: "So a gritty atmosphere = an original and outstanding game?"

coming from nintendo fans who enjoy games with no story what so ever and pride them selves of the same rehash 2d mario over and over and over
,

lol the irony there is amazing XD

The original point that I was replying to was that Sony made new IPs instead of reusing their IPs like Nintnedo.

I responded by pointing out that even though Sony makes new IPs, there is nothing original about most of said new IPs, and I listed the biggest first party games that Sony had and compared them to 3rd party games in the same genre. (The only truly original IPs they have being LBP and the ICO games)

So I fail to see the irony that you are seeing,

Now I want you to find me one third party game that is like Zelda OoT, one FPS that is like the Metroid Primes, and one game that was like Super Smash Bros before it came out. It's impossible. It seems like Nintendo's games actually stand out from all the standard genre-defined games of third parties and the like doesn't it?

Also, you shouldn't forget how many genres Nintnedo has pioneered. Sony and MS are now making Wii sports clones for example.

Nintnedo hasn't made new IP in a long time, but the IP that they already have does stand out from all other games that the industry makes, unlike MS and Sony's new games, that mostly just takes proven concepts and applies them to already well-defined genres.


yeah, I can see where this one is going......

my suggestion is you actually play the games before you bash them, and judging by your post you haven't played ANY of them, especially killzone 2



KungKras said:
huaxiong90 said:
KungKras said:
huaxiong90 said:
KungKras said:
9Chiba said:

Can you name me one game that released before Killzone which has the same gritty atmosphere?

can you name me one gamer that plays games just for atmosphere?


You got to it before me xD

Altohugh my reply was going to be: "So a gritty atmosphere = an original and outstanding game?"

Did I say that? You're saying it's generic, which means, it has no points of its own. So are you going to answer my question now? Or just dodging my point?

There's a difference between a flawed game and a mediocre game.

Are you really trying to make the point that the gritty atmosphere of Killzone sets it apart from other shooters?

I bet you think TimeShift and Singularity are highly original games as well.

Killzone are standard shooters, so what if they made the graphics pretty and nailed the atmosphere. They still play just like your average FPS.

To answer your question, I believe BLACK for PS2 and Xbox had a similar gritty style, just not in a sci-fi setting.

Actually, FYI, atmosphere can in fact set a shooter apart from others.

As for TimeShift and Singularity: That's why I said there's a difference between a flawed game and a mediocre game.

And as for Black...I don't see how they're similar at all...

It would take a REALLY different atmosphere to be something that sets a game apart from the rest, and Killzone doesn't have that.

Both Killzone and Black has very detailed graphics, and both are dark and gritty. Explain how the atmosphere is different.

I guess we would have to agree to disagree on the atmosphere setting it apart from other shoooters, but another thing that it got credited for was its unique hard-sci fi art direction.

And I just realized about Black: It was released after Killzone, and I was asking for a game that released before it. So I could explain my thoughts as to why I don't feel they're similar, but there's no point.

To be honest, at this point, we're just beating a dead horse.



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Sony, mostly because they aren't really bringing anything to the table anymore. Imitation != Innovation. Anyone who fails to contribute to the game industry's evolution is just hampering it.

MS brought us Live, a great online service for remote multiplayer gaming, along with HD graphics. Plus they are changing the way motion controls work, sans controler.

Nintendo brought us modern motion control gaming, opening a wide spectrum of gaming possibilities (which yes, also include casual titles and Imagine Babiez lol)

Sony just said "Lets take HD graphics, and we'll also take that notion of motion control Nintendo came up with, and work around the patent"

Sony has contributed the least in the past 5 years to the industry, so if one had to go, it'd be the dead weight.

 



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evolution_1ne said:
KungKras said:
evolution_1ne said:
KungKras said:
9Chiba said:

Can you name me one game that released before Killzone which has the same gritty atmosphere?

can you name me one gamer that plays games just for atmosphere?


You got to it before me xD

Altohugh my reply was going to be: "So a gritty atmosphere = an original and outstanding game?"

coming from nintendo fans who enjoy games with no story what so ever and pride them selves of the same rehash 2d mario over and over and over
,

lol the irony there is amazing XD

The original point that I was replying to was that Sony made new IPs instead of reusing their IPs like Nintnedo.

I responded by pointing out that even though Sony makes new IPs, there is nothing original about most of said new IPs, and I listed the biggest first party games that Sony had and compared them to 3rd party games in the same genre. (The only truly original IPs they have being LBP and the ICO games)

So I fail to see the irony that you are seeing,

Now I want you to find me one third party game that is like Zelda OoT, one FPS that is like the Metroid Primes, and one game that was like Super Smash Bros before it came out. It's impossible. It seems like Nintendo's games actually stand out from all the standard genre-defined games of third parties and the like doesn't it?

Also, you shouldn't forget how many genres Nintnedo has pioneered. Sony and MS are now making Wii sports clones for example.

Nintnedo hasn't made new IP in a long time, but the IP that they already have does stand out from all other games that the industry makes, unlike MS and Sony's new games, that mostly just takes proven concepts and applies them to already well-defined genres.


yeah, I can see where this one is going......

my suggestion is you actually play the games before you bash them, and judging by your post you haven't played ANY of them, especially killzone 2

Orly? how can you see that I haven't played them? What insight am I supposed to have that you so clearly can see that I don't have?

I only need to see gameplay to see that GoW plays exactly like DMC, and that GT is a racing game. Do you think, after having seen a walkthrough of Ratchet & Clank and stating that it's a basic 3D platformer that that assumption is wrong? Would me playing it suddenly make me realize that it's a survival horror?

My point still stand as strong as ever despite your accusations.



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huaxiong90 said:
KungKras said:
huaxiong90 said:
KungKras said:
huaxiong90 said:
KungKras said:
9Chiba said:

Can you name me one game that released before Killzone which has the same gritty atmosphere?

can you name me one gamer that plays games just for atmosphere?


You got to it before me xD

Altohugh my reply was going to be: "So a gritty atmosphere = an original and outstanding game?"

Did I say that? You're saying it's generic, which means, it has no points of its own. So are you going to answer my question now? Or just dodging my point?

There's a difference between a flawed game and a mediocre game.

Are you really trying to make the point that the gritty atmosphere of Killzone sets it apart from other shooters?

I bet you think TimeShift and Singularity are highly original games as well.

Killzone are standard shooters, so what if they made the graphics pretty and nailed the atmosphere. They still play just like your average FPS.

To answer your question, I believe BLACK for PS2 and Xbox had a similar gritty style, just not in a sci-fi setting.

Actually, FYI, atmosphere can in fact set a shooter apart from others.

As for TimeShift and Singularity: That's why I said there's a difference between a flawed game and a mediocre game.

And as for Black...I don't see how they're similar at all...

It would take a REALLY different atmosphere to be something that sets a game apart from the rest, and Killzone doesn't have that.

Both Killzone and Black has very detailed graphics, and both are dark and gritty. Explain how the atmosphere is different.

I guess we would have to agree to disagree on the atmosphere setting it apart from other shoooters, but another thing that it got credited for was its unique hard-sci fi art direction.

And I just realized about Black: It was released after Killzone, and I was asking for a game that released before it. So I could explain my thoughts as to why I don't feel they're similar, but there's no point.

To be honest, at this point, we're just beating a dead horse.

BLACK was released after? Ok, my bad. 

Killzone is still a generic FPS though, I really don't see how you think its atmosphere (which I consider to be pretty standard for FPS games) somehow makes it an original game concept.



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KungKras said:
evolution_1ne said:
KungKras said:
evolution_1ne said:
KungKras said:
9Chiba said:

Can you name me one game that released before Killzone which has the same gritty atmosphere?

can you name me one gamer that plays games just for atmosphere?


You got to it before me xD

Altohugh my reply was going to be: "So a gritty atmosphere = an original and outstanding game?"

coming from nintendo fans who enjoy games with no story what so ever and pride them selves of the same rehash 2d mario over and over and over
,

lol the irony there is amazing XD

The original point that I was replying to was that Sony made new IPs instead of reusing their IPs like Nintnedo.

I responded by pointing out that even though Sony makes new IPs, there is nothing original about most of said new IPs, and I listed the biggest first party games that Sony had and compared them to 3rd party games in the same genre. (The only truly original IPs they have being LBP and the ICO games)

So I fail to see the irony that you are seeing,

Now I want you to find me one third party game that is like Zelda OoT, one FPS that is like the Metroid Primes, and one game that was like Super Smash Bros before it came out. It's impossible. It seems like Nintendo's games actually stand out from all the standard genre-defined games of third parties and the like doesn't it?

Also, you shouldn't forget how many genres Nintnedo has pioneered. Sony and MS are now making Wii sports clones for example.

Nintnedo hasn't made new IP in a long time, but the IP that they already have does stand out from all other games that the industry makes, unlike MS and Sony's new games, that mostly just takes proven concepts and applies them to already well-defined genres.


yeah, I can see where this one is going......

my suggestion is you actually play the games before you bash them, and judging by your post you haven't played ANY of them, especially killzone 2

Orly? how can you see that I haven't played them? What insight am I supposed to have that you so clearly can see that I don't have?

I only need to see gameplay to see that GoW plays exactly like DMC, and that GT is a racing game. Do you think, after having seen a walkthrough of Ratchet & Clank and stating that it's a basic 3D platformer that that assumption is wrong? Would me playing it suddenly make me realize that it's a survival horror?

My point still stand as strong as ever despite your accustions.

ok dude GOW3 plays nothing like DMC, they're both hack n slash and thats clearly  ALL you know

GT is a simulator, the first on a console, not a racing game -_-

and yes ratchet is a 3d platform, but before call it generic PLAY the damn game dude

typical Nintendo fan every genre Nintendo isn't in is generic and every genre they are in should be exclusive to just them and everything is a knock off, pathetic you guys seriously, and this while having never played the games yourselves......

but whatever dude, you keep playing and loving the same f**king game over and over and I'll sit and suffer threw the endlessly diverse, quality line up, that spans all genres and preferences, and have been doing so from the start.

I realize now my being here was wrong as I'm clearly not a mo- Nintendo fan, I'm leaving now



sony, just because i still resent them for the dark N64/cube days.



 

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evolution_1ne said:
KungKras said:
evolution_1ne said:
KungKras said:
evolution_1ne said:
KungKras said:
9Chiba said:

Can you name me one game that released before Killzone which has the same gritty atmosphere?

can you name me one gamer that plays games just for atmosphere?


You got to it before me xD

Altohugh my reply was going to be: "So a gritty atmosphere = an original and outstanding game?"

coming from nintendo fans who enjoy games with no story what so ever and pride them selves of the same rehash 2d mario over and over and over
,

lol the irony there is amazing XD

The original point that I was replying to was that Sony made new IPs instead of reusing their IPs like Nintnedo.

I responded by pointing out that even though Sony makes new IPs, there is nothing original about most of said new IPs, and I listed the biggest first party games that Sony had and compared them to 3rd party games in the same genre. (The only truly original IPs they have being LBP and the ICO games)

So I fail to see the irony that you are seeing,

Now I want you to find me one third party game that is like Zelda OoT, one FPS that is like the Metroid Primes, and one game that was like Super Smash Bros before it came out. It's impossible. It seems like Nintendo's games actually stand out from all the standard genre-defined games of third parties and the like doesn't it?

Also, you shouldn't forget how many genres Nintnedo has pioneered. Sony and MS are now making Wii sports clones for example.

Nintnedo hasn't made new IP in a long time, but the IP that they already have does stand out from all other games that the industry makes, unlike MS and Sony's new games, that mostly just takes proven concepts and applies them to already well-defined genres.


yeah, I can see where this one is going......

my suggestion is you actually play the games before you bash them, and judging by your post you haven't played ANY of them, especially killzone 2

Orly? how can you see that I haven't played them? What insight am I supposed to have that you so clearly can see that I don't have?

I only need to see gameplay to see that GoW plays exactly like DMC, and that GT is a racing game. Do you think, after having seen a walkthrough of Ratchet & Clank and stating that it's a basic 3D platformer that that assumption is wrong? Would me playing it suddenly make me realize that it's a survival horror?

My point still stand as strong as ever despite your accustions.

ok dude GOW3 plays nothing like DMC, they're both hack n slash and thats clearly  ALL you know

GT is a simulator, the first on a console, not a racing game -_-

and yes ratchet is a 3d platform, but before call it generic PLAY the damn game dude

typical Nintendo fan every genre Nintendo isn't in is generic and every genre they are in should be exclusive to just them and everything is a knock off, pathetic you guys seriously, and this while having never played the games yourselves......

but whatever dude, you keep playing and loving the same f**king game over and over and I'll sit and suffer threw the endlessly diverse, quality line up, that spans all genres and preferences, and have been doing so from the start.

I realize now my being here was wrong as I'm clearly not a mo- Nintendo fan, I'm leaving now

GT is a realistic-style racing game.

Ratchet & Clank is a standard 3D platformer with guns.

And you are BLIND if you think GoW plays differently from DMC. I have seen my friend play both on his PS2, and the ONLY difference between them is that GoW had QTE's.

Go play your games that copies whatever gameplay is popular at the time and keep telling yourself that those games are SO original.

LOL at the spans all genres and preferences part BTW, all genres, yea right.



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