No one, really. Competition is good for everybody. I really dislike Microsoft as a company, but I still have a 360 and wouldn't want to see support for it abruptly end.
You do not have the right to never be offended.
No one, really. Competition is good for everybody. I really dislike Microsoft as a company, but I still have a 360 and wouldn't want to see support for it abruptly end.
You do not have the right to never be offended.
Doobie_wop said:
Metroid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEpNx2qde3Q Mario http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwfF5-Wt6YU The Legend of Zelda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1s7kexSrHE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcQpec98nCA Super Smash Bros. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lxapXSAijw Zelda: Ocarina of Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_(computer_game) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnocQS1maqg Motion Controls http://classicgames.about.com/od/consoleandhandheldgames/p/LeStickProfile.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nUENWpRdSs Your point is void and you should probably do your research before making such outlandish statements. These threads have all turned bad because some people couldn't give up the opportunity to bash a company they don't like, instead of actually providing well thought out arguments as to why Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft should leave. |
First of all, color me impressed with your gaming knowlege. You really dug deep. Watched the vids. The problem lies within KungKras' arguement to find something "similar". There are always similar games because games take ideas from one another. That said I think some of your examples have more dissimilarities than not. Lets go through them one by one.
Metroid
Never even seen the game you linked to but from what I watched I didn't see any shooting, hidden passageways to discover by environmental clues, upgraded weapon and power suit systems, morphball form, bosses, or a miriad of other features that comprise Metroid. Again, I've never played the game, but those things were lacking in the gameplay vid.
Mario
I'm sorry, but saying pitfall is very similar to Mario doesn't compute for me. Mario plays and controls quite differently. If you break them down to their primitive play mechanics you can make the relation, but Mario offered so much more originality in environment design, sound design and control to the gaming world.
The Legend of Zelda
I agree with the second video being like Zelda. Zelda is not as original as some other Nintendo franchises. I just think it does the formula best. (-:
Smash Bros
I think you nailed this one pretty good to. How the heck do you know about all of these old games? I'm almost 30 and I don't remember them.
Ocarina of Time
I played Body Harvest and aside from the free roaming aspect and visiting people and places it is more akin to GTA imo. Ocarina of Time plays differently.
Motion Controls
Did the stick you showed even work? I'm not sure "tries" count. I realize Nintendo isn't the first company to explore motion controls but they are the first one to make them the standard for their console. You've got to give them props for at least that.
That's my two cents.
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Demotruk said: All companies who aim to dominate the console market by expelling the others in a war of financial attrition. ie. Sony and MS |
I couldn't have explained it better. But a Nintendo monopoly wouldn't be good either.
If I have to choose one I'll say Microsoft, at least sony makes some good games. (also I'm a linux supporter so -fail @microsoft^^)
KungKras said:
2D platformer. Starfox-style shooter Whatever animal crossing is. FPA As for genres that I like that Sony doesn't have a game in that Nintendo doesn't have either: MMORPG Oblivion-style RPG RTS Hearts of Iron-style RTS Other strategy games. Whatever Minecraft is. I could name more, but I guess that's a lot more than one. |
Wow really ? are you joking? (i think you are) , i wouldn't want to make arguments but i'll tell you of the games i known.
2D platformers ? = Locoroco ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfDr9eD7wKY
Starfox style ? = Omega Boost? Colony Wars?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHkBRmxrZ4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E570LPwtXg
PSA = Jumping Flash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2hukvZ0zBw&feature=related
MMORPG ? = .... you got to be kidding me here... who do you think made EverQuest? , they even made the first MMOFPS , called PlanetSide
WRPG? = King's Field
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2QTELoECpk
RTS? = there is a lot of them SOE made and there is this new one coming out called UnderSiege (that i and a lot of people here are looking forward to)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WCvkjn84w4&playnext=1&videos=HZiw6q_76vs&feature=mfu_in_order
Strategy Games? = Arc the Lad (they're also working on new ones if i remember currectly )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8ger_OfnI
and before you mention it, there is the horror , the JPRGs, the sandbox games, the racers , the arcadey racers , the downright weird as f$%ck games.
i really want this argument to stop >_>; i'm tired of arguing over stupid shit on this site.
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Umos-Cmos said:
First of all, color me impressed with your gaming knowlege. You really dug deep. Watched the vids. The problem lies within KungKras' arguement to find something "similar". There are always similar games because games take ideas from one another. That said I think some of your examples have more dissimilarities than not. Lets go through them one by one. |
its not that its the same exact games, its that it proves that they didn't "Create" those genres like Kungras said, also its pretty easy to know about these games if you've been playing since the Atari days, =] , i don't really know why everyone forgot about that generation , everything was innovative.
also you could argue that this motion controller is the first to exist though i don't really know and i'm not sure about it.
http://classicgames.about.com/od/consoleandhandheldgames/p/LeStickProfile.htm
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KungKras said: BLACK was released after? Ok, my bad. Killzone is still a generic FPS though, I really don't see how you think its atmosphere (which I consider to be pretty standard for FPS games) somehow makes it an original game concept. |
Well, I just feel it captures the feeling of a gritty battlefield perfectly, and yet at the same time, it's in a completely different (and unique) setting, and at the same time, still feels so real. I don't know how to explain it, really...but trust me, I've played many shooters on both PC and consoles. And I'm not alone on this, critics also give it points for some originality.
Can you tell me why you think it's generic at least? I haven't seen your reasoning yet.
Edit: I'm seeing some very laughable statements here. I guess to some, personal grudges hold more weight than factual evidence. That, or they just don't do any research.
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Severance said:
also you could argue that this motion controller is the first to exist though i don't really know and i'm not sure about it. http://classicgames.about.com/od/consoleandhandheldgames/p/LeStickProfile.htm |
Sorry if I wasn't clear in the point I was trying to make. I was referring to this quote:
"Now I want you to find me one third party game that is like Zelda OoT, one FPS that is like the Metroid Primes, and one game that was like Super Smash Bros before it came out. It's impossible. It seems like Nintendo's games actually stand out from all the standard genre-defined games of third parties and the like doesn't it?"
Not this quote:
"Also, you shouldn't forget how many genres Nintnedo has pioneered. Sony and MS are now making Wii sports clones for example."
To your point, Nintendo didn't create the genre for the games you mentioned I'll agree. In Kungras defense, He didn't specify which genres that Nintendo created besides Wii Sports. He didn't specifically say that they created the platforming or adventure game genre. I do agree with him that Nintendo's big games DO stand out in their particular genres. I was referring to his quote about "genre-defined" games. I actually agree with most of what you are saying.
Oh, and as far as the Atari goes, My buddy had one that I played with him but I never actually owned one myself. My parents thought videogames were the devil and that they'd never get me to do any work after I got one. Luckily my brother and I begged and pleaded enough to get an NES about a year after launch. My first personal gaming console was the NES. (-:
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Umos-Cmos said:
Oh, and as far as the Atari goes, My buddy had one that I played with him but I never actually owned one myself. My parents thought videogames were the devil and that they'd never get me to do any work after I got one. Luckily my brother and I begged and pleaded enough to get an NES about a year after launch. My first personal gaming console was the NES. (-: |
Very Offtopic :
why is that? =s i never understood religious parents, and i haven't lived in the USA by that time i barely able to go outside i was so little but my father was a gamer before me so i got all his consoles and played them (he also had the first MagnaVox Odyssey ) , and that was around the NES days so i got the consoles late.
my father used to get extremely high scores in Space invaders, and i was a noob, i used to like games but not to the point of beating them and mastering them, that is until Sega Genesis came out actually, i began to love games.
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Umos-Cmos said:
Mario |
I've no real interest in this pointless debate but I noticed this because it's a common misconception that people always try to claim. Pitfall may well have some similarites to Mario games, but unfortunately, Mario games didn't begin with Super Mario Bros.
Mario's first appearance was in Donkey Kong in 1981. Pitfall was released in 1982.
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