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Wii 'could be in trouble' post-Christmas - Iwata

Wii will continue to be s... 69 17.97%
 
It's true Wii has peaked 193 50.26%
 
Let's hope not 25 6.51%
 
Wii will be on the market for years to come 33 8.59%
 
We need Super Wii 64 16.67%
 
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darkknightkryta on 10 October 2010
axt113 said:
darkknightkryta said:
axt113 said:
darkknightkryta said:
axt113 said:
darkknightkryta said:

Um just throwing this out there, but why is everyone saying NIntendo will push the Wii past it's 5 year cycle that Nintendo has been using?  I mean I don't think they'll stop production soon, but a new console is coming to replace it sooner rather than later.  And why do I say this?  Cause NIntendo is replacing the bestest selling game machine of all time that's still selling better than every other gaming machine combined, in a few months.


Wow, that's made no sense whatsoever, Nintendo is less concerned about 5 year plans than sales and profits, the reason other Nintendo consoles died out so fast was because of sales, the NES survived much more than five years, because it sales continued strong.

 

If Wii has good sales, Nintendo will wait to release its  next console, if sales sag too far then they'll announce the next one


What do you mean that made no sense?  If Nintendo would replace the DS which is the best selling game machine ever, which is still selling more than most of the consoles combined, why would they not replace the Wii which isn't selling nearly as much?  Hell the Wii has been selling less than the PS3 right now everywhere.  What's the flawed logic?  Wouldn't your reasoning mean Nintendo would wait to replace the DS?  I'm not saying they're going to stop production of the Wii, just have its successor in line and ready to be shown. I mean the SNES was out along side the NES .  They probably won't show it this E3 cause Zelda has yet to release but after Zelda's release there's going to be a successor shown.


There is a reason they replaced the DS, while its sales are still strong, there are reasons to move to the 3DS, first off is piracy, another reason is the rise of smartphone gaming

And there's plenty of reasons to move on to a new console; low sales, piracy, rise of motion controles from "HD" gaming.

Rise of motion controls, lol, Move was an utter flop, low sales, lol its still overtracking the PS2, piracy is a much smaller issue on the Wii than the DS

Piracy isn't an issue on the Wii?  Say that to the over million downloads of New Super Mario Bros. Wii.  And how do you know for true Move is a flop?  It just came out recently and it's still not holiday season yet for it.  And yes it is overtracking PS2 and it's also selling less than the PS3 which is a good 100 dollars more expensive than it and it's consistently selling less than it all over the world.  And it's currently being destroyed by the 360.  Plus we have no idea how Kinect is going to sell and the way Microsoft is going to go into aggressive advertising mode I'm sure Kinect is going to have huge numbers and the Wii is going to take a big hit come this holiday season.  I stand by my words a Wii successor will be announced the E3 after Zelda gets released.



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axt113 on 10 October 2010
bmmb1 said:
axt113 said:

Galaxy 2 sold less than Galaxy one, was not a system seller and sold far, far less than NSMB, that's a flop

 

Skyward sword hasn't come out yet, but I'm almost 100% certain its not going to push consoles and  will sell worse than TP

Of course Galaxy 2 sold far far less than NSMBWii, everybody knew it would. As to selling less than Galaxy, in its first 3 weeks it sold more, but guess what - they had different release months. Galaxy 2 came out end May, Galaxy 1 md November.... so in its 4th week sales exploded, due to Christmas. Galaxy 2 is doing fine. As to a system seller, while it didn't give any big push (after all it's a sequel of a game that most people who were interested in already had a Wii), I am certain that without it numbers would have been worse.

Skyward Sword - we still need to see how the game turns out. If it's a great game, it will sell consoles.


Its not doing fine, it'll probably be outsold by NSMB Wii this holiday as well.

And of course it sold less than NSMB is a reason its a flop and should have never been made

 

No because then its resources could have gone to actual system selling games

 

 Unlikely, Zelda games haven't sold consoles in a long, long time



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

axt113 on 10 October 2010
darkknightkryta said:

Piracy isn't an issue on the Wii?  Say that to the over million downloads of New Super Mario Bros. Wii.  And how do you know for true Move is a flop?  It just came out recently and it's still not holiday season yet for it.  And yes it is overtracking PS2 and it's also selling less than the PS3 which is a good 100 dollars more expensive than it and it's consistently selling less than it all over the world.  And it's currently being destroyed by the 360.  Plus we have no idea how Kinect is going to sell and the way Microsoft is going to go into aggressive advertising mode I'm sure Kinect is going to have huge numbers and the Wii is going to take a big hit come this holiday season.  I stand by my words a Wii successor will be announced the E3 after Zelda gets released.


Not anywhere as big as on the DS

Just look at the sales, its flagship game is below 100K and falling and below WSR, that is flop zone, Holiday season won;t save it, as it will be facing more competition at holiday, face it Kinect and Move are examples of how not to challenge Nintendo

Yeah its selling less for a few weeks, so what, it hasn't had any big game releases since NSMB, face it, even with all the stuff that PS3 has out, its still only a few thousand over the Wii at the Wii's low point, lol, that's not impressive at all

Same with 360, it has a new version of its system and a bunch of games, and yet its still only 40K over the Wii at its low point, Wii will decimate it over the holidays when it gets some games, I mean seriously, outselling the Wii for a few weeks is not noteworthy, outselling it constantly even when Wii has big titles, that would be noteworthy, but that isn't going to happen, you know it, and I know it

Kinect will be just like Move, a small bump then quick fade to obscurity, taking a bite out of Wii, lol, no, only things that have hurt Wii has been Nintendo's own mistakes, not anything its competitors have done.

 

 

 



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

trestres on 10 October 2010
axt113 said:
bmmb1 said:
axt113 said:

Galaxy 2 sold less than Galaxy one, was not a system seller and sold far, far less than NSMB, that's a flop

 

Skyward sword hasn't come out yet, but I'm almost 100% certain its not going to push consoles and  will sell worse than TP

Of course Galaxy 2 sold far far less than NSMBWii, everybody knew it would. As to selling less than Galaxy, in its first 3 weeks it sold more, but guess what - they had different release months. Galaxy 2 came out end May, Galaxy 1 md November.... so in its 4th week sales exploded, due to Christmas. Galaxy 2 is doing fine. As to a system seller, while it didn't give any big push (after all it's a sequel of a game that most people who were interested in already had a Wii), I am certain that without it numbers would have been worse.

Skyward Sword - we still need to see how the game turns out. If it's a great game, it will sell consoles.


Its not doing fine, it'll probably be outsold by NSMB Wii this holiday as well.

And of course it sold less than NSMB is a reason its a flop and should have never been made

 

No because then its resources could have gone to actual system selling games

 

 Unlikely, Zelda games haven't sold consoles in a long, long time

So basically every game made this gen, with the exception of 10 games or less, are flops. RIP game industry.



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axt113 on 10 October 2010
trestres said:
axt113 said:
bmmb1 said:
axt113 said:

Galaxy 2 sold less than Galaxy one, was not a system seller and sold far, far less than NSMB, that's a flop

 

Skyward sword hasn't come out yet, but I'm almost 100% certain its not going to push consoles and  will sell worse than TP

Of course Galaxy 2 sold far far less than NSMBWii, everybody knew it would. As to selling less than Galaxy, in its first 3 weeks it sold more, but guess what - they had different release months. Galaxy 2 came out end May, Galaxy 1 md November.... so in its 4th week sales exploded, due to Christmas. Galaxy 2 is doing fine. As to a system seller, while it didn't give any big push (after all it's a sequel of a game that most people who were interested in already had a Wii), I am certain that without it numbers would have been worse.

Skyward Sword - we still need to see how the game turns out. If it's a great game, it will sell consoles.


Its not doing fine, it'll probably be outsold by NSMB Wii this holiday as well.

And of course it sold less than NSMB is a reason its a flop and should have never been made

 

No because then its resources could have gone to actual system selling games

 

 Unlikely, Zelda games haven't sold consoles in a long, long time

So basically every game made this gen, with the exception of 10 games or less, are flops. RIP game industry.


Actually without the Wii and DS, you'd be right the game industry would be RIP, and what games have really pushed the Wii and DS momentum, the big sellers



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

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Metallicube on 11 October 2010
axt113 said:
bmmb1 said:
axt113 said:
bmmb1 said:
axt113 said:
bmmb1 said:
Cheebee said:

So, once again, Wii iz d0med?


Yes, but this time it's Iwata who is saying it . He must have been reading too much Pachter.


not doomed, but concerned, holiday sales will answer the concerns

yes I know he doesn't say it's doomed, that was all part of the "Wii IZ d0med" joke. Personally I am not overly confident about holiday sales (mainly because of Kinect bundles but also Move once it's "holiday advertised" with a bundle), but we'll see. I think a lot depends on whether Donkey King would have an even remotely similar effect on Wii sales that NMSBWii did, everything else is just noise (same as last year, it's not the price cut that did it, it was the game).


Move has flopped, its flagship game is already below 100K in sales and falling

I wouldn't call it successful (or close to) up till now, but I suggest you wait for the holidays, PS3 Move bundles and a heavy holidays advertising campaign by Sony before coming to some longer tem conclusion. Even if you're right, it may be still eating from some of Wii's potential sales at least from the "hardcore" crowd, thus affecting WIi sales even if not successful by itself (some people may not buy Move but decide to put off buying a Wii while waiting for more incentive/games to buy Move). And I expect Kinect to be a success with the casual crowd during the Holidays and eat into Wii holiday sales even more, primarily due to the dance game. It's releasing so close to the holidays that even if it doesn't work as advertised or as people at leats expect it to (which remains to be seen), between the MS campaign and the media hype people won't notice until after the holidays if at all...


No, I think the only reason Wii is having problems is not because of Kinect and Move, both are destined to flop and flop hard, No Nintendo's problem is crappy games

 

Games like Galaxy 2, Other M, Skyward sword should never have been made, these flops have eaten away Nintendo resources without any positive effect on Nintendo momentum.

 

I hope Nintendo finally wises up after skyward sword flops, and finally gives up these foolish games, and gives the market what it wants, old school games, how many old school system sellers could have been released instead of wasting time and resources on games like Galaxy 2, other M and Skyward Sword, it boggles the mind how Nintendo has sabotaged its own momentum

I agree about Galaxy 2 and Other M, but Skyward Sword looks like a great game to me. While I don't think it'll have a HUGE effect on hardware, it'll still help reinvigorate Wii's core base and perhaps draw some of the expanded audience as well, though that depends on how accessible the game is. It appears to be the first Motion Plus game Nintendo is serious about besides WSR.

But yeah, Having Galaxy 2 (a sequel to the 3D Mario series which is nowhere near as popular as 2D Mario), and Metroid Other M (a game that totally alienates the Metroid, and Nintendo audience with its awkward controls and empahsis on cinematics) as the flagship Wii titles in 2010 was a bad move on Nintendo's part. While I love Galaxy 2, I understand at the same time that you cannot sell hardware and keep up momentum with a game like that.

I remember when everyone was celebrating that Nintendo was finally moving back to the core gamer in 2010. But the downside of that is that usually means they are marginilzing themselves and cutting off potential sales to the expanded audience.

It still is funny to me how some people talk about the low Wii sales in 2010 thus far as if they're surprised. All one has to do is look at the strength of the lineup. Now while this year has been good for core gamers, games like Metroid Other M, Monster Hunter Tri, NMH2, and Red Steel 2 are NOT going to sell hardware.

Meanwhile, the HD consoles were getting rapid fire big name third party game week after week. So, considering the circumstances, I am not only not SURPRISED by the HD consoles outselling the Wii in recent months, but I'm actually quite shocked that Wii remained as close as it did this year with such a weak software lineup.



oni-link on 12 October 2010

DAMMIT I SAID ALL NINTENDO NEEDS TO DO IS DROP THE PRICE BY $50 AND IT'LL START SELLING LIKE HOT CAKES AGAIN!!! IWATA CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?



LordTheNightKnight on 12 October 2010
oni-link said:

DAMMIT I SAID ALL NINTENDO NEEDS TO DO IS DROP THE PRICE BY $50 AND IT'LL START SELLING LIKE HOT CAKES AGAIN!!! IWATA CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?


What makes you think the last price drop did that? Mario did that.



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theRepublic on 12 October 2010
axt113 said:

Galaxy 2 sold less than Galaxy one, was not a system seller and sold far, far less than NSMB, that's a flop

Really?  So Nintendo should do nothing to maintain diversity in its library or cater to massive niches within its fanbase?  Sounds like a great business strategy you got there.



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axt113 on 13 October 2010
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axt113 said:

Galaxy 2 sold less than Galaxy one, was not a system seller and sold far, far less than NSMB, that's a flop

Really?  So Nintendo should do nothing to maintain diversity in its library or cater to massive niches within its fanbase?  Sounds like a great business strategy you got there.


Massive Niches, lol, what massive niche was activated by Galaxy?  NSMB Wii got that Niche and more.

 

Face i, games like Galaxy, Other M and Skyward are wastes , so yeah, my business strategy would have not only resulted in more sales, but would have kept momentum going



Rumors indicate that it is planning on following the first approach, sticking a new, motion-sensitive controller onto an existing console. Our perspective is that this is the worst of the three options.

-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea