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kazadoom said:

^^ There is not scientific evidence to prove evolution, nor has any been given in this forum.  heck the theory itself is not even based on the true definition of science because it has never been observed and there is no explanation for the existence of time and space, morals, conscience.  The Bible is the answer for everything, that is my premise, therefore nothing said is going to ever change that.  Your premise is that the Bible is wrong and man is the answer, and I am sure that nothing I say will change that, so this will be my last post in this forum.

It's sad to hear you say this, when the very OP itself is both a valid observation of evolution and is valid scientific evidence.

How about Canis Lupus? More or less within the time of human civilisation the whole of Canis Lupus Familiaris has evolved. From the grey wolf has come every species of dog, with the selective pressure being the needs of the humans who domesticated them. Within 13,000 years going from a close descendant of the modern grey wolf to every species of dog.

This has been observed, we have the bones, we have the pictures, we have the historical accounts and descriptions, we have the genetic information. This evolution has occurred and will continue to occur and we (mankind) have been here the whole time to observe it.

I can apply this to pretty much any form of selective breeding; canis lupus is just a nice example. The intervention of humans can speed up evolution and we can make observations on this. Basically, why do people bother breeding prize bulls if it doesn't make future generations any different from the last?

And it is a perfectly valid scientific theory. You just don't seem to fully understand what a theory is. You also seem to think that theory should explain everything 100% before it can be called so, if this were the case it would be a law. You say this even to the point that the things you attributed to it (space and time) have nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

A theory is our best possible explanation based on the knowledge and evidence we have available, it will constantly be adapted with the acquisition of new knowledge as time passes. The unexplained will become explained and we will always have an explanation that is ever increasing in accuracy and correctness.

Then you say the bible explains everything. What exactly does the Bible say on evolution? Not abiogeneisis (the origin of life) but evolution (the origin of species)? As far as I'm aware the bible says nothing about evolution. Heck, what does the bible say on Fermat's last theorem? Whilst it is a good book for many people to live their life by, I'm not sure you can claim that it has all the answers.



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BMaker11 said:

@kazadoom

Do you also believe that women should be 100% subservient to men, and if they aren't virgins before marriage, they should be killed? Or that eating pork is sin? Or getting tattoos are wrong? Playing football is wrong (playing with the skin of a pig is sin in the Bible)? Working on Sundays?

You 100% believe in the Bible, then you also 100% believe that all of those things are bad. No wonder you turn a blind eye to evolution. Playing football is sin? No way could evolution be possible!


This is NOT Christianity.  Just a perversion of it.



Hackers are poor nerds who don't wash.

There has been no observable scientific evidence that a species of an animal changed into another animal.  So it's not fact, at best theory.



Hackers are poor nerds who don't wash.

Jordahn said:

There has been no observable scientific evidence that a species of an animal changed into another animal.  So it's not fact, at best theory.

Near enough everything is a theory if you can't prove it mathematically.

Then again, theory is pretty much the highest scientific accolade a scientific idea can reach, it has to be supported by volumes of evidence and there has to be an almost unanimous consensus on it.

And again, speciation can and has been observed (link). And even if we hadn't observed it directly, the genetic evidence and the fossil evidence are more than enough to prove it has happened.

(I'm starting to feel like a parrot )



Jordahn said:
BMaker11 said:

@kazadoom

Do you also believe that women should be 100% subservient to men, and if they aren't virgins before marriage, they should be killed? Or that eating pork is sin? Or getting tattoos are wrong? Playing football is wrong (playing with the skin of a pig is sin in the Bible)? Working on Sundays?

You 100% believe in the Bible, then you also 100% believe that all of those things are bad. No wonder you turn a blind eye to evolution. Playing football is sin? No way could evolution be possible!


This is NOT Christianity.  Just a perversion of it.


This is the Bibble, which "has all the answers" :P



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I feel some people have a misunderstanding of what observation means. It does not require the event to be observed directly, observation of the effects of an event or the artifacts left by an event are still observations.



Jordahn said:
BMaker11 said:

@kazadoom

Do you also believe that women should be 100% subservient to men, and if they aren't virgins before marriage, they should be killed? Or that eating pork is sin? Or getting tattoos are wrong? Playing football is wrong (playing with the skin of a pig is sin in the Bible)? Working on Sundays?

You 100% believe in the Bible, then you also 100% believe that all of those things are bad. No wonder you turn a blind eye to evolution. Playing football is sin? No way could evolution be possible!


This is NOT Christianity.  Just a perversion of it.

It's in the Bible and therefore it is Christianity. You can't "pick and choose" what's in the Bible to say what defines your religion.

The Bible says all those things in it, but just because you interpret those as "silly" or even "bad", they are a perversion of the religion? Those same principles share the same amount of text in the Bible as "honour thy mother and father", "no idol worship", and the understood principle of "treat others as you would yourself". They get the same amount of writing as all of those "good" things, so why are they a perversion of the Bible? Because it's one aspect you don't like?

You follow the logic of "oh, that part shouldn't be taken literally, that's just a metaphor" to try and rationalize why you only believe some aspects of the Bible, and not all of them



While this is great when you are talking asexual but sexual is a different story altogether.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7315/edsumm/e100930-09.html

 Fruit flies are resisting evolution. Evolution requires small steps but these small steps toward progress is very rare and then get lost in all the neutral mutation in the sea of genetic drift.  It's take well planning to avoid gambler's ruin.

 This is the problem with evolution thinkers , they believe bacteria antibody resistance is the same as creatures growing totally new complex parts like eyes, nose, wings,etc.