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OoSnap said:

Provided with evidence would you believe dinosaurs co-existed with man?

Evolution is a lie.

No it's not. I could provide you with reams and reams of evidence showing that evolution happens if you like. I mean the evidence supporting the phylogenetic tree of life is abundant enough by itself to make evolution an open and shut case. Apart from that it's been observed in laboratories and in nature many times, for example the e-coli long term evolution experiment.

Really it's a case of "what would you like to know?" because there is too much to give you in one go.

Dinosaurs and man co-existed. But you would rarely hear about this information because it hurt egos in the scientific community that they have been wrong for the last 150 years.

Science doesn't work like that I'm afraid. Scientists do have some integrity y'know. Besides, If the evidence is strong enough the scientist who would discover that man and humans lived side by side would be credited with one of the greatest shock discoveries ever. Suppression is something hard to do in scientific communities as eventually a good idea will win round opponents.

There have been plenty of times that science has been redefined, even after centuries, in the face of new evidence. Gravity for example. Scientists thought Newton's laws of gravity worked, but then *boom* Einstein came along with general relativity, which was a better explanation.  The evidence was undeniable, and so centuries of work had been redefined in an instant. This is fairly typical event in the scientific community (I think I should note that science is always becoming better defined as opposed to constantly in turmoil. Whatever comes after evolution will have to account for the evidence found in evolution too, so it would be a very similar theory).

Dinosaurs and man living together would have a hard time being suppressed if the evidence were strong, but it's not.

Dino autopsy. Wait, what? I thought dinosaurs died out millions of years ago? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5B7x_uDlE&NR=1

Hardly a dino autopsy at all. Granted they found a small amount of collagen, but the age of the fossil has never really been up for debate, the main area of debate is how the collagen has been preserved for so long. It has been reliably dated to 68million years old by radiometric dating techniques, as with many other dinosaurs.

Either way, it does not show in any sense that dinosaurs and homosapiens have walked the Earth together as homosapiens have only been around for 200,000 years. That's a gap  of 67.8million years between this dinosaur and us homosapiens.


Evidence dinosaurs and man co-existed  - Very interesting videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_uWw0k640Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dxOlqNw3Ns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzTIetDmCCo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O8YmwoBG5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4APM7ySdo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCH83SUOaTg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8I3cuBT2Vo

Dinosaurs and the bible?

Ok instantly I can see what's wrong with it, it will hardly be an unbias documentary. Nevertheless, I will be happy to watch this evening and come back with some thoughts later, but I don't have an hour to kill right now.

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I'll just leave you with this thought. The dates for the existence of dinosaurs are well supported. The age of the fossils can be obtained by measuring the radioactive decay from parent to daughter elements in the igneous layers either side of the sedimentary layers they were fossilised in. This can give a reasonably accurate age bracket of when that dinosaur was fossilised. And we find that dinosaurs existed up until ~65million years ago, which lines up perfectly with the Cretaceous-tertiary extinction, which killed off most life, including all non-avian dinosaurs.

We know for a fact that humans weren't around during this extinction as modern mammals like us began to evolve after this extinction.



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chocoloco said:

Another little known fact, I am the second coming of Christ.


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pizzahut451 said:

Well, i dont believe God created Earth, i believe he created the universe, so im not a creatonist i guess. But i sure as hell dont believe in a a bullshit, retarded made up theory known as Big Bang

I tell you what, can you give me an explanation of the big bang without googling(or binging, etc)? Because I would love to know if you actually understand the observations that have been made which support the big bang theory. Because I'm sorry, but I have a feeling that you don't.

For example, what is your explanation of the metric expansion of the Universe? What is your take on the cosmic microwave background radiation that can observed? And so on.



I'm not going to watch the video's as I fully believe they did co-exist. It's completely asanine not too.

I mean seriously if Dinasuars and humans never co-existed then why are their murals of DInasuars found in ancient cultures. Native American sculptures of Dinasuars, even the Axtec's and Myans had sculptures and pictures of dinasuars. Their is so much archeological evidence supporting the theory that dinasuars and humans co-existed it isn't even funny.

If dinasuars didn't co-exist with humans are you saying all these cultures simply made up perfect images of dinasuars? Did they telepathically go back in time to see them? Seriously its complete idiocy to think that humans and dinasuars never co-existed.

Just look if Evolutionists could say coelacanth died millions of years ago just to find them alive today, then how hard is it to suggest that maybe dinasuars and humans co-existed? Eventually more proof will come to light but for now the archeological evidence is hugely in the favour of dinasuars existing alongside humans!



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ultraslick said:
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theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:

I'm against genetic alteration simply because we don't have the correct systems in place to control it.

Honestly though, I trust the atheists. Trust in the people who always make sure to look at all sides of the coin, not just the one they are forced to look at.

To control what?  And what systems don't we have in place or couldn't put in place?

To quote some smart guy "He who controls the fountain of life controls the world"

I just don't think we have the proper restraints in place. I can see it quickly spiraling out of control. Mostly in a military aspect....

but I can also see it tear humanity in two when it gets to the point where a race of super babies are starting to be created by the super rich. I'm not thrilled about inventing new ways to divide us.

However, I would be all for disease and disorder treatment, but who's to say that they wouldn't go further? Especially when money is involved.

I know I sound like a nut, but given the way the market works, it's hard to say it wouldn't happen. Just look at how our food is made.

Futher with what?  I don't get exactly what your issue is.

Like, they'd pay someone to make their child have a higher IQ and be more physically fit naturally?

What would be bad about that again?   The average IQ of the world would be higher, and the average health of the world would be more fit.

Like spiraling out of control in a military aspect?  Again, how?  I mean genetic engineering isn't like the marvel universe, you can't create superpowered fire breathing people with 100% loyalty to some shadow government.

In the future genetic engineering will likely be as common place as things like vaccinations.

What you are talking about is almost exactly the plot of the movie; Gattaca.

you are talking as if you have not seen that movie, and while I will not disagree with anything you have been saying about going all gung-ho with genetic engineering, there are other aspects of societies and economic concerns such an unbalanced system of half superior, half inferior human race would bring up.

anyways, go watch Gattaca, its a good movie.

I'll put it on my list, though it is just a movie.   Pretty much EVERYBODY realizes at this point that IQ's aren't a definitive means of quality.

In fact, a lot of good research actually tends to show that IQ is about levels and not an exact number.  For example, say you aproximitly need an IQ of 110 to be a research scientist.

Someone with a 130 IQ actually probably isn't better off then someone with a 115 IQ.


The only way I could see it causing problems is if the other half were intentionally downgraded... which even then would only provide negatives.

 



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Kasz216 said:

I'll put it on my list, though it is just a movie.   Pretty much EVERYBODY realizes at this point that IQ's aren't a definitive means of quality.

In fact, a lot of good research actually tends to show that IQ is about levels and not an exact number.  For example, say you aproximitly need an IQ of 110 to be a research scientist.

Someone with a 130 IQ actually probably isn't better off then someone with a 115 IQ.


The only way I could see it causing problems is if the other half were intentionally downgraded... which even then would only provide negatives.

 


Ive always though that IQ was a pretty redundant thing, how can one test tell you how smart someone is, it just seems absurd to me.



He's right.... warriors from the future traveled back into time and used the dinosaurs as weapons to fight evil... I saw it on TV....

damn that show was awesome..



 

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Joelcool7 said:

I'm not going to watch the video's as I fully believe they did co-exist. It's completely asanine not too.

I mean seriously if Dinasuars and humans never co-existed then why are their murals of DInasuars found in ancient cultures. Native American sculptures of Dinasuars, even the Axtec's and Myans had sculptures and pictures of dinasuars. Their is so much archeological evidence supporting the theory that dinasuars and humans co-existed it isn't even funny.

If dinasuars didn't co-exist with humans are you saying all these cultures simply made up perfect images of dinasuars? Did they telepathically go back in time to see them? Seriously its complete idiocy to think that humans and dinasuars never co-existed.

Just look if Evolutionists could say coelacanth died millions of years ago just to find them alive today, then how hard is it to suggest that maybe dinasuars and humans co-existed? Eventually more proof will come to light but for now the archeological evidence is hugely in the favour of dinasuars existing alongside humans!

Where are you getting all this misinformation from?



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NiKKoM said:

He's right.... warriors from the future traveled back into time and used the dinosaurs as weapons to fight evil... I saw it on TV....

damn that show was awesome..


Where's the movie to game adaption of said awesome tv show? I want one!



Joelcool7 said:

I'm not going to watch the video's as I fully believe they did co-exist. It's completely asanine not too.

I mean seriously if Dinasuars and humans never co-existed then why are their murals of DInasuars found in ancient cultures. Native American sculptures of Dinasuars, even the Axtec's and Myans had sculptures and pictures of dinasuars. Their is so much archeological evidence supporting the theory that dinasuars and humans co-existed it isn't even funny.

If dinasuars didn't co-exist with humans are you saying all these cultures simply made up perfect images of dinasuars? Did they telepathically go back in time to see them? Seriously its complete idiocy to think that humans and dinasuars never co-existed.

Just look if Evolutionists could say coelacanth died millions of years ago just to find them alive today, then how hard is it to suggest that maybe dinasuars and humans co-existed? Eventually more proof will come to light but for now the archeological evidence is hugely in the favour of dinasuars existing alongside humans!

I am going to assume you are being serious.

I drew a picture of a dinosaur the other day there must be dinosaurs running around RIGHT now. Seriously cave drawings weren't exactly accurate, and often depicted exaggerated scenes. And mythological scenes. I suppose there were also aliens, men bigger than dear and mammoths, gods, and creatures like hydras, fire breathing dragons, snakes that wrapped all the way around the world and ate it's self? Because all of these things have been depicted in ancient art. 

here are some examples

not exactly photographs

There is next to no real evidence suggesting humans and dinosaurs co-existing, there is on the other hand an overwhelming amount of evidence they were wiped out 65 million years ago. "Evolutionists" said that coelacanth died out because there was no evidence that they hadn't died out. there was no evidence that they were still alive, they are not common and we no far less about the depths of the oceans than we do about space. Dinosaurs are far harder to miss than a fish. It is possible that there were more alligators , commodo dragons and giraffes. 

 



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