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Microsoft: Kinect is a bigger 'step forward' than the Wii

It's true 33 12.79%
 
No it's not 57 22.09%
 
Kinect has the potential to be the best 21 8.14%
 
Is this guy serious? 55 21.32%
 
Let's wait and see 28 10.85%
 
More trash talk what's new. 64 24.81%
 
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Torillian said:
Mr Khan said:
Vanbierk said:
oni-link said:

@mchaza

Since when has R&D, tech Demo's ever count as a true product release?  It's like saying I had the idea for Windows, iPhone etc but I never got around distributing it!!! It's just lame, and besides Nintendo had been working on motion control pre-2001 as seen in their investment and collaboration with gyration inc which they had purchased a small minority share in during that tim "Unearthed: Nintendo's Pre-Wiimote Prototype". Gizmodo  so all that bull about Sony doing motion control before Nintendo is just that...all bull.  Even if Sony was researching motion control before Nintendo (they didn't)  R&D never accounts to anything unless they ACTUALLY RELEASE THE PRODUCT!!!  Just look at the hybrid cars right now Prius is known to mainstream as the first hybrid even though the Big 3 had the blu=print to the technology as Toyota had the kahuna's to release it first!!!

*Sigh*....I highly doubt you've even tried Move based on your bullshit defensive and offensive maneuvers...but please, try it out, Play Sports Champions Frisbee Golf and Gladiator Duel for like 30 minutes, and you'll stop calling it a wii copy...

Frolf?

Gladiator Duel?

hmm...


You wanted them to not use any sport related to something Nintendo has done?  Poor Sony, if they don't want to get accused of copying Nintendo they have to invent entirely new sports just to make you happy.

I was merely countering his point that they would not look like copies, which is false. They will inevitably look like copies, which i will grant isn't *fair*, but is certainly the case. Much like Move itself against the Wii remote. Sony's trying to put forth a legitimate effort to one-up Nintendo's motion control efforts by providing similar hardware and software, but technologically superior in both cases. The problem is that this is inevitably going to clash with the well-established Nintendo products

I'm not saying Sony should come up with new sports, but I am saying that it's going to look like a copy to the consumer, and that it will naturally be hard for them to differentiate the experience enough.



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Carl2291 said:
Torillian said:


You wanted them to not use any sport related to something Nintendo has done?  Poor Sony, if they don't want to get accused of copying Nintendo they have to invent entirely new sports just to make you happy.

It's been that way on this site since Sports Champions was revealed.


Well I think Sports Champions is obviously because Wii Sports showed how well the idea works as a demo for motion controls and completely agree with anyone who thinks they copied the general concept, but poo pooing on Sony for using a lot of the same sports Nintendo has is just being unreasonable.  There aren't that many fun and easily recognizeable sports to put into a motion controlled game that Nintendo hasn't already done.  And I don't want a sports game filled with Badmitton, Water Polo, and Bossaball.



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Mr Khan said:
Torillian said:


You wanted them to not use any sport related to something Nintendo has done?  Poor Sony, if they don't want to get accused of copying Nintendo they have to invent entirely new sports just to make you happy.

I was merely countering his point that they would not look like copies, which is false. They will inevitably look like copies, which i will grant isn't *fair*, but is certainly the case. Much like Move itself against the Wii remote. Sony's trying to put forth a legitimate effort to one-up Nintendo's motion control efforts by providing similar hardware and software, but technologically superior in both cases. The problem is that this is inevitably going to clash with the well-established Nintendo products

I'm not saying Sony should come up with new sports, but I am saying that it's going to look like a copy to the consumer, and that it will naturally be hard for them to differentiate the experience enough.

Well I agree with you there, it will inevitably look like a straight copy to most consumers. 



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Torillian said:
Carl2291 said:
Torillian said:


You wanted them to not use any sport related to something Nintendo has done?  Poor Sony, if they don't want to get accused of copying Nintendo they have to invent entirely new sports just to make you happy.

It's been that way on this site since Sports Champions was revealed.


Well I think Sports Champions is obviously because Wii Sports showed how well the idea works as a demo for motion controls and completely agree with anyone who thinks they copied the general concept, but poo pooing on Sony for using a lot of the same sports Nintendo has is just being unreasonable.  There aren't that many fun and easily recognizeable sports to put into a motion controlled game that Nintendo hasn't already done.  And I don't want a sports game filled with Badmitton, Water Polo, and Bossaball.


I think the problem is really caused when users say Sony motion pursuit wasn't a result of Nintendo successful pursuit into motion controls. I do feel that Kinect is very similar to eyetoy, but the execution of the product is different.

Edit forgot my point: While I feel the execution of the move makes it very similar to the Wii. (At this time)

As for the topic at hand, no I do not believe it is a much bigger step than the wii. 



 

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oni-link said:

@mchaza

Since when has R&D, tech Demo's ever count as a true product release?  It's like saying I had the idea for Windows, iPhone etc but I never got around distributing it!!! It's just lame, and besides Nintendo had been working on motion control pre-2001 as seen in their investment and collaboration with gyration inc which they had purchased a small minority share in during that tim "Unearthed: Nintendo's Pre-Wiimote Prototype". Gizmodo  so all that bull about Sony doing motion control before Nintendo is just that...all bull.  Even if Sony was researching motion control before Nintendo (they didn't)  R&D never accounts to anything unless they ACTUALLY RELEASE THE PRODUCT!!!  Just look at the hybrid cars right now Prius is known to mainstream as the first hybrid even though the Big 3 had the blu=print to the technology as Toyota had the kahuna's to release it first!!!


Sony started working on motion contorller in 2001, go look up on youtube and stop trolling



Peter Molyneux always mouths off about how great things WILL be in his new ventures. However many of things he boasts about don't ever come into fruition - tress growing in real time in Fable anyone??? The guy loves to come out with grandstanding statements.

Whilst I respect that Microsoft has tried to do something different with Kinect (rather than just copying the Wii like Move), I do still think games need some form of controller input and where as I see the way the Wii remote or Move can be implemented into regular games, I'm yet to see how anyone could play Halo, Fifa, COD, Forza, SFIV etc with Kinect.

Kinect is going to be interesting, but let's face facts - Kinect and Move are only happening because of what the Wii has done, that alone negates his point.

 



Vanbierk said:
Mr Khan said:
Vanbierk said:
oni-link said:

@mchaza

Since when has R&D, tech Demo's ever count as a true product release?  It's like saying I had the idea for Windows, iPhone etc but I never got around distributing it!!! It's just lame, and besides Nintendo had been working on motion control pre-2001 as seen in their investment and collaboration with gyration inc which they had purchased a small minority share in during that tim "Unearthed: Nintendo's Pre-Wiimote Prototype". Gizmodo  so all that bull about Sony doing motion control before Nintendo is just that...all bull.  Even if Sony was researching motion control before Nintendo (they didn't)  R&D never accounts to anything unless they ACTUALLY RELEASE THE PRODUCT!!!  Just look at the hybrid cars right now Prius is known to mainstream as the first hybrid even though the Big 3 had the blu=print to the technology as Toyota had the kahuna's to release it first!!!

*Sigh*....I highly doubt you've even tried Move based on your bullshit defensive and offensive maneuvers...but please, try it out, Play Sports Champions Frisbee Golf and Gladiator Duel for like 30 minutes, and you'll stop calling it a wii copy...

Frolf?

Gladiator Duel?

hmm...

If you put the two side by side...regardless of which one released first...The Wii games look like the cheap walgreens motion gaming console imitations...

In fact not only Sports Champions and Ps Move look like the imitations, but they really are the imitations.

And before you tell me to go to play with move, I already did at Gamescom 2010, kthxbai.

 

 

 



Mr.Metralha said:
Vanbierk said:
Mr Khan said:
Vanbierk said:
oni-link said:

 



 

 

In fact not only Sports Champions and Ps Move look like the imitations, but they really are the imitations.

And before you tell me to go to play with move, I already did at Gamescom 2010, kthxbai.

 

"kthxbai"? Really?

I wouldn't go with the word 'imitation' to describe Sports Champions...I would call it Improvement...But of course, this is personal opinion...I would even go so far as to say that I have Never played a Wii game that had Motion Controls as it's primary form of control that worked well...In My Opinion

Edit: If You can give me one game that works as well as, and you can get a similar experience to "Start The Party" (Which works really well as long as your camera is where it says you should put it) on Wii...Then we'll talk more on the subject, otherwise, you can keep calling it a copy or an "imitation" without good grounds



Just waiting for that PS Vita to come out so I can play some full featured games on the go with that beautiful screen and control scheme...

Didn't Molyneux refer to Fable as the 'Zelda killer'?