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Carl on 21 September 2010
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Metallicube said:

Again, to think 360 and PS3 are guarenteed to outlast the Wii is very shortsighted. Nothing is guarenteed. I suppose they could outlast it, but Nintendo will have to either cut the life short by releasing a new console before them, OR compeltely stop releasing games that people want to buy (which essentially happened the first 9 months of this year). Being more of a "core console" (whatever that means) has nothing to do with it.

I hate to butt in, but I can't resist anymore.

It's software that keeps consoles alive. The support they get.

It's getting it's biggest exclusive game before the year is over.
PS3 is getting, and will continue to get excellent 1st party AND 3rd party support.
It just got it's Motion Controller, thus bringing in all new support and interest when (if) word of mouth kicks in. It's already getting new exclusives (Virtua Tennis 2011).
It still has PLENTY of room for pricecuts.
It's still a big console, so it can easily be redesigned. PS2 had multiple redesigns, PS3 can do too.
It can still get multiple colors released for it. 
It's sales have increased every year since it released. Why would it suddenly have "packed it in", especially when it outsold Wii in this region this week (And Japan for Months on end)?

I honestly fail to see how you can think the PS3 has "packed it in". Honestly. It just sounds like a load of wishful thinking biased bullcrap.

If any console has packed it in... You should be looking at the Wii, not the PS3. It's down by a quarter of a Million units YoY , and losing a lot of marketshare. Despite having a pricecut, and NSMB late last year. While the PS3 is up by 1.4 Million units YoY and gaining marketshare...

Something to add, in the next few weeks all consoles will be in the 30% marketshare range for the year 2010. Has this EVER happened to a 1st place console ???

http://www.vgchartz.com/home.php#Worldwide YTD

Not that I know of. Amazing really when you look at it.

I can't wait to see that Marketshare chart next year though.

Yup, it won't have as strong a start in 2011 as 2010 gave it, so by this time next year, 360 or PS3 or both could be ahead for total 2011 sales.

I'm actually expecting a pricecut for one of them sometime early next year. I doubt they both want to drop the bomb at the same time as eachother.

360 is looking more likely for an early cut IMO. It's certainly due one.

So it COULD be even sooner than this time next year



                            

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Seece on 21 September 2010
Metallicube said:
Seece said:

Rubbish, I don't think Wii will drop off the face of the earth so stop putting words in my mouth, and I suggest you go find a few examples before accusing me of something you have wrong

My reasoning is right on pitch. It's irrefutable PS3 and 360 sales are fuled by gamers looking for a gaming console, Nitnendo's userbases for each console were consistantly dropping, and I doubt they've garned any new core gamers this gen judging by how the core games sell on the system.

Wii's price cut has already worn off, actually it wore off a while ago, whilst PS3's was seeing rises YOY up until the slims 1st anniversarys.

PS3 and 360 (only with Kinect) have effective price cuts to come, any price cut the Wii receives seems to diminish rather fast. If they do price cut this xmas, they really will have blown their load so to speak, because next xmas 360 and PS3 are going to be fighting their most brutal yet.

Your 2nd paragraph is just irrelevent, and shows you just have beef with me because I'm "attacking something Nintendo", when I'm not. I'm only talking about PS3 and 360 outlasting Wii, so quite what a wii successor and 3DS and the war being over has to do with this I don't know.

You put far too much importance on price cuts. I've said a thousand times and I'll say it again: It's games games games. People buy consoles for GAMES, they don't buy consoles because they look nice in the living room. If your console has no games, no price cut will help you. The HD consoles both have had slim models (which I contend have done far more than the price drops). And they've also had stronger releases this year than the Wii thus far. A price cut will give a very temporary boost but that's it.

HD consoles could outlast the Wii, but if they do, it'll be because Nintendo wil fail to release games that people want. Wii did bad this year (speaking in relative terms) because people had no new reasons to buy a Wii. It's biggest two games were a Mario Galaxy sequel (which even the first game barely moved consoles) and a Metroid spinoff with very limited appeal.

I don't quite get how you see it as likely that the HD consoles will outlast Wii, when Nintendo has pumped out several mega hits in just 4 years that have insane legs, and chances are good they could release another one.

As for the HD consoles are "gamers" consoles, and have more loyal core gamers or whatever, I'm not gonna bother arguing with that one because it's nothing more than hardcore elitist nonsense.

rofl, the console manufacturers disagree with you on that There is no point in us continuing this discussion if you're one of those who believes NSMB pushed all those Wii's last xmas.

I really hope Wii doesn't get a price cut this xmas, and I hope kirby and Dk both get rated 95 plus and get amazing word of mouth, and then we'll see what really pushes Wii's.



 

Seece on 21 September 2010
Carl2291 said:
Seece said:

Yup, it won't have as strong a start in 2011 as 2010 gave it, so by this time next year, 360 or PS3 or both could be ahead for total 2011 sales.

I'm actually expecting a pricecut for one of them sometime early next year. I doubt they both want to drop the bomb at the same time as eachother.

360 is looking more likely for an early cut IMO. It's certainly due one.

So it COULD be even sooner than this time next year

Hmm, I want all 3 to cut at same time, I want one big messy war next xmas



 

SaviorX on 21 September 2010
guiduc said:
Seece said:
SaviorX said:
Seece said:


Your reasons don't hold much weight either. Now, this gen has been nuts when it comes to consoles defying trends and history, but do you seriously think, the PS3 or 360 will outsell the Wii in any given years to come? When you say outlast, by how long? By how much? When the successors release, unless the Wii is totally obsolete, history will strike again and it will still sell despite a new console being out. There is nothing pointing to the Wii dropping off the face of the earth except your wishful thinking. Throughout those 11k posts I know there was a LOT of it.

And what if they do outsell the Wii in....2012 or 2013? You think Nintendo will wait until the 3DS has been out for 2 years before dropping a successor? Signs point to Ninty moving on in Japan at the end of 2011 or beginning of 2012 the latest. Getting the early jump on 3rd party support means everything to them right now. The console war is over; any sales after this point is just petty bragging rights, something gaming can use a lot less of.

You think Sony can weather a PS4 around that time (11/11 ; 3/12) after all this investment into Move?

Rubbish, I don't think Wii will drop off the face of the earth so stop putting words in my mouth, and I suggest you go find a few examples before accusing me of something you have wrong

My reasoning is right on pitch. It's irrefutable PS3 and 360 sales are fuled by gamers looking for a gaming console, Nitnendo's userbases for each console were consistantly dropping, and I doubt they've garned any new core gamers this gen judging by how the core games sell on the system.

Wii's price cut has already worn off, actually it wore off a while ago, whilst PS3's was seeing rises YOY up until the slims 1st anniversarys.

PS3 and 360 (only with Kinect) have effective price cuts to come, any price cut the Wii receives seems to diminish rather fast. If they do price cut this xmas, they really will have blown their load so to speak, because next xmas 360 and PS3 are going to be fighting their most brutal yet.

Your 2nd paragraph is just irrelevent, and shows you just have beef with me because I'm "attacking something Nintendo", when I'm not. I'm only talking about PS3 and 360 outlasting Wii, so quite what a wii successor and 3DS and the war being over has to do with this I don't know.

People seem to forget the PS3 sold quite bad before the end of 2009, it's normal it's up YoY because there's so much people out there that didn't buy it because of the 400$ tag. Wii had 3 big years, it's normal the sales dry up at this very time.

And also don't forget the Wii hasn't seen a console redesign like the others two.

This holiday will be very tied this time, not like the Wii outselling the other consoles by a million units. The 360 will be close to the Wii or above it, but I'm not so sure for the PS3. I think it'll finish third, but not by a large margin. Let's see if Nintendo has interesting titles to show for 2011. I bet the Vitality Sensor is somewhere there...


One thing people fail to understand is that it is VERY EASY to scream growth when you are starting from a low number. The PS3 & 360's best peaks won't match the Wii's worst in a single year. They may have a shot this year but I doubt it.

You've dodged all of my questions but I will answer yours. First problem is you think I care about "core" gamers. I don't. 3rd parties don't release any core games on Wii until the first 3/last 3 months of any given year with nothing in between. Its been that way almost all gen with few exceptions.

How can you say any price cut the Wii has diminishes fast when it has only had ONE? The Wii had no software to support that price cut until NSMB...then it almost sold 7m worldwide in a single month. This holiday, Wii doesn't need a price cut. No one ever expected the Wii to maintain its 2008 sales for another 5 years, so the fact it is dropping year after year like a console usually does isn't surprising, especially with the lack of software.

In my second paragraph, I never even mentioned you, let alone "attacking Nintendo, so now you are putting words in my mouth. I don't have beef with you over Nintendo :P

 PS3 and 360 outlasting the Wii would be irrelevant once a successor launches. My allusion to the 3DS only serves to guess at the timing.

 



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Carl on 21 September 2010
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Metallicube said:

Again, to think 360 and PS3 are guarenteed to outlast the Wii is very shortsighted. Nothing is guarenteed. I suppose they could outlast it, but Nintendo will have to either cut the life short by releasing a new console before them, OR compeltely stop releasing games that people want to buy (which essentially happened the first 9 months of this year). Being more of a "core console" (whatever that means) has nothing to do with it.

I hate to butt in, but I can't resist anymore.

It's software that keeps consoles alive. The support they get.

It's getting it's biggest exclusive game before the year is over.
PS3 is getting, and will continue to get excellent 1st party AND 3rd party support.
It just got it's Motion Controller, thus bringing in all new support and interest when (if) word of mouth kicks in. It's already getting new exclusives (Virtua Tennis 2011).
It still has PLENTY of room for pricecuts.
It's still a big console, so it can easily be redesigned. PS2 had multiple redesigns, PS3 can do too.
It can still get multiple colors released for it. 
It's sales have increased every year since it released. Why would it suddenly have "packed it in", especially when it outsold Wii in this region this week (And Japan for Months on end)?

I honestly fail to see how you can think the PS3 has "packed it in". Honestly. It just sounds like a load of wishful thinking biased bullcrap.

If any console has packed it in... You should be looking at the Wii, not the PS3. It's down by a quarter of a Million units YoY , and losing a lot of marketshare. Despite having a pricecut, and NSMB late last year. While the PS3 is up by 1.4 Million units YoY and gaining marketshare...

Something to add, in the next few weeks all consoles will be in the 30% marketshare range for the year 2010. Has this EVER happened to a 1st place console ???

http://www.vgchartz.com/home.php#Worldwide YTD

Not that I know of. Amazing really when you look at it.

I can't wait to see that Marketshare chart next year though.

Yup, it won't have as strong a start in 2011 as 2010 gave it, so by this time next year, 360 or PS3 or both could be ahead for total 2011 sales.

I'm actually expecting a pricecut for one of them sometime early next year. I doubt they both want to drop the bomb at the same time as eachother.

360 is looking more likely for an early cut IMO. It's certainly due one.

So it COULD be even sooner than this time next year

Hmm, I want all 3 to cut at same time, I want one big messy war next xmas

Well I suppose it's possible.

I think all 3 consoles getting pricecuts is like 90% certain to happen. Not too sure on when exactly they will be though.



                            

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Metallicube on 21 September 2010
Seece said:
Metallicube said:
Seece said:
SaviorX said:
Seece said:
 

I give all consoles a fair shot ta very much. I certainly don't spew rubbish like that on here ...

I am not going to argue with you, but I don't believe that for a second. It seems like you are using a cap pistol to shoot for one console and an army tank to give a "fair shot" to another. Either way, I haven't seen such fairness so you are gonna have to point it out to me. Where is it?

Now to get back on-topic, what did Metallicube say that I didn't touch on which was so offbase?

Do you mean in this thread? or in my post history? Cos I aint dredging through 11k posts to apease you ...

I've given my reasons why I think the HD consoles will outlast Wii. I'm not the one stating a console is dead or gonna drop off the face of the earth, his reasoning is pretty bad to boot. (actually did he give any real reasoning, more so sounds like wishful thinking.)

Your reasons don't hold much weight either. Now, this gen has been nuts when it comes to consoles defying trends and history, but do you seriously think, the PS3 or 360 will outsell the Wii in any given years to come? When you say outlast, by how long? By how much? When the successors release, unless the Wii is totally obsolete, history will strike again and it will still sell despite a new console being out. There is nothing pointing to the Wii dropping off the face of the earth except your wishful thinking. Throughout those 11k posts I know there was a LOT of it.

And what if they do outsell the Wii in....2012 or 2013? You think Nintendo will wait until the 3DS has been out for 2 years before dropping a successor? Signs point to Ninty moving on in Japan at the end of 2011 or beginning of 2012 the latest. Getting the early jump on 3rd party support means everything to them right now. The console war is over; any sales after this point is just petty bragging rights, something gaming can use a lot less of.

You think Sony can weather a PS4 around that time (11/11 ; 3/12) after all this investment into Move?

Rubbish, I don't think Wii will drop off the face of the earth so stop putting words in my mouth, and I suggest you go find a few examples before accusing me of something you have wrong

My reasoning is right on pitch. It's irrefutable PS3 and 360 sales are fuled by gamers looking for a gaming console, Nitnendo's userbases for each console were consistantly dropping, and I doubt they've garned any new core gamers this gen judging by how the core games sell on the system.

Wii's price cut has already worn off, actually it wore off a while ago, whilst PS3's was seeing rises YOY up until the slims 1st anniversarys.

PS3 and 360 (only with Kinect) have effective price cuts to come, any price cut the Wii receives seems to diminish rather fast. If they do price cut this xmas, they really will have blown their load so to speak, because next xmas 360 and PS3 are going to be fighting their most brutal yet.

Your 2nd paragraph is just irrelevent, and shows you just have beef with me because I'm "attacking something Nintendo", when I'm not. I'm only talking about PS3 and 360 outlasting Wii, so quite what a wii successor and 3DS and the war being over has to do with this I don't know.

You put far too much importance on price cuts. I've said a thousand times and I'll say it again: It's games games games. People buy consoles for GAMES, they don't buy consoles because they look nice in the living room. If your console has no games, no price cut will help you. The HD consoles both have had slim models (which I contend have done far more than the price drops). And they've also had stronger releases this year than the Wii thus far. A price cut will give a very temporary boost but that's it.

HD consoles could outlast the Wii, but if they do, it'll be because Nintendo wil fail to release games that people want. Wii did bad this year (speaking in relative terms) because people had no new reasons to buy a Wii. It's biggest two games were a Mario Galaxy sequel (which even the first game barely moved consoles) and a Metroid spinoff with very limited appeal.

I don't quite get how you see it as likely that the HD consoles will outlast Wii, when Nintendo has pumped out several mega hits in just 4 years that have insane legs, and chances are good they could release another one.

As for the HD consoles are "gamers" consoles, and have more loyal core gamers or whatever, I'm not gonna bother arguing with that one because it's nothing more than hardcore elitist nonsense.

rofl, the console manufacturers disagree with you on that There is no point in us continuing this discussion if you're one of those who believes NSMB pushed all those Wii's last xmas.

I really hope Wii doesn't get a price cut this xmas, and I hope kirby and Dk both get rated 95 plus and get amazing word of mouth, and then we'll see what really pushes Wii's.

And there's no point in continuing it with you if you're one of those that don't.

Yeah, the successor to the most popular game series of all time, coming out 18 years after the last one. What a fool I must be to believe such a game can move hardware. LMAO.

If not for NSMB, Wii would probably be dead right now. It had next to no hardware movers for 9 months this year, and STILL held up respectively. That was NSMB.

Whatever, no point in me wasting more bandwidth. Sales will speak for themselves. That's why I like vgchartz. There is no spinning, just numbers, and the numbers don't lie.



binary solo on 21 September 2010

Well I guess that's what having a special edition console bundle gets for you. I didn't expect a 70% boost, very well done there Halo:Reach. PS3 really should have a special edition GT5 bundle for EMEAA, not just for Japan.

PS3 just squeaks past 17 million before 360 catches up. One or 2 more weeks of 360 >PS3 and 360 will overtake and stay that way at least until GT5 launch and potentially beyond GT5 with Kinect.

Good start for Sports Champs and Move. PS3 boost from Move launch massively overshadowed by Reach, but the fact it put PS3 into 2nd position for the week is significant in itself. Japan should be slightly ahead or even between PS3 and Wii, and America will be close with a slight Move bounce.



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Seece on 21 September 2010
SaviorX said:
guiduc said:

People seem to forget the PS3 sold quite bad before the end of 2009, it's normal it's up YoY because there's so much people out there that didn't buy it because of the 400$ tag. Wii had 3 big years, it's normal the sales dry up at this very time.

And also don't forget the Wii hasn't seen a console redesign like the others two.

This holiday will be very tied this time, not like the Wii outselling the other consoles by a million units. The 360 will be close to the Wii or above it, but I'm not so sure for the PS3. I think it'll finish third, but not by a large margin. Let's see if Nintendo has interesting titles to show for 2011. I bet the Vitality Sensor is somewhere there...


One thing people fail to understand is that it is VERY EASY to scream growth when you are starting from a low number. The PS3 & 360's best peaks won't match the Wii's worst in a single year. They may have a shot this year but I doubt it.

You've dodged all of my questions but I will answer yours. First problem is you think I care about "core" gamers. I don't. 3rd parties don't release any core games on Wii until the first 3/last 3 months of any given year with nothing in between. Its been that way almost all gen with few exceptions.

How can you say any price cut the Wii has diminishes fast when it has only had ONE? The Wii had no software to support that price cut until NSMB...then it almost sold 7m worldwide in a single month. This holiday, Wii doesn't need a price cut. No one ever expected the Wii to maintain its 2008 sales for another 5 years, so the fact it is dropping year after year like a console usually does isn't surprising, especially with the lack of software.

In my second paragraph, I never even mentioned you, let alone "attacking Nintendo, so now you are putting words in my mouth. I don't have beef with you over Nintendo :P

 PS3 and 360 outlasting the Wii would be irrelevant once a successor launches. My allusion to the 3DS only serves to guess at the timing.

 

Wow, Wii is going to sell 15 mill plus for eternity? ioi reckons 18 ish million for Wii this year, it's likely it'll drop again in 2011. PS3 and 360 are bothing tracking their highest years yet, and if what you so call the impossible takes off, Kinect and Move (athough I think a $199, is what will really propel it) then they'll hit 15 mill.

Why would I CARE if you're not a core gamer? What has that got to do with anything?!

Again I'll say same to you as I did that other guy, no point in discussing this when you think price cuts do nothing, they're the oil that drives the engine, they're worthless without decent SW I agree, but that decent SW on it's own at this point in it's life ... nah I don't agree that drives sales significantly. Not like last xmas.

And your last point, I don't care if it's irrelevent PS3 and 360 outlasting the Wii ... you just seem to be throwing all sorts into this conversation, I merely said my reasons why I think it will, I didn't say the wii will drop off the face of the earth, or that 360 and PS3 outlasting it even matters.



 

Seece on 21 September 2010
Metallicube said:
Seece said:
Metallicube said:

You put far too much importance on price cuts. I've said a thousand times and I'll say it again: It's games games games. People buy consoles for GAMES, they don't buy consoles because they look nice in the living room. If your console has no games, no price cut will help you. The HD consoles both have had slim models (which I contend have done far more than the price drops). And they've also had stronger releases this year than the Wii thus far. A price cut will give a very temporary boost but that's it.

HD consoles could outlast the Wii, but if they do, it'll be because Nintendo wil fail to release games that people want. Wii did bad this year (speaking in relative terms) because people had no new reasons to buy a Wii. It's biggest two games were a Mario Galaxy sequel (which even the first game barely moved consoles) and a Metroid spinoff with very limited appeal.

I don't quite get how you see it as likely that the HD consoles will outlast Wii, when Nintendo has pumped out several mega hits in just 4 years that have insane legs, and chances are good they could release another one.

As for the HD consoles are "gamers" consoles, and have more loyal core gamers or whatever, I'm not gonna bother arguing with that one because it's nothing more than hardcore elitist nonsense.

rofl, the console manufacturers disagree with you on that There is no point in us continuing this discussion if you're one of those who believes NSMB pushed all those Wii's last xmas.

I really hope Wii doesn't get a price cut this xmas, and I hope kirby and Dk both get rated 95 plus and get amazing word of mouth, and then we'll see what really pushes Wii's.

And there's no point in continuing it with you if you're one of those that don't.

Yeah, the successor to the most popular game series of all time, coming out 18 years after the last one. What a fool I must be to believe such a game can move hardware. LMAO.

If not for NSMB, Wii would probably be dead right now. It had next to no hardware movers for 9 months this year, and STILL held up respectively. That was NSMB.

Whatever, no point in me wasting more bandwidth. Sales will speak for themselves. That's why I like vgchartz. There is no spinning, just numbers, and the numbers don't lie.

Ah, because the people that loved it the first time are so loyal? Where were they during the gamecubes days? I bet if NSMB released during that era it wouldn't have a third of it's current sales.

I've said all along, NSMB helped move HW, with the help of the price cut, it was a combo effort. more significantly the price cut rather than NSMB.

If it wasn't for the price cut last xmas, the Wii would have done significantly worse.

Last part, very true, I wish you would go take a look because it seems you're ignoring that very fact.



 

Carl on 21 September 2010
Metallicube said:

And there's no point in continuing it with you if you're one of those that don't.

Yeah, the successor to the most popular game series of all time, coming out 18 years after the last one. What a fool I must be to believe such a game can move hardware. LMAO.

If not for NSMB, Wii would probably be dead right now. It had next to no hardware movers for 9 months this year, and STILL held up respectively. That was NSMB.

Whatever, no point in me wasting more bandwidth. Sales will speak for themselves. That's why I like vgchartz. There is no spinning, just numbers, and the numbers don't lie.

Boom. Sales in EMEAA this week for you right here between PS3 and Wii.

PS3 - 58,167
Wii - 51,807

Year on Year... "Growth" so far between PS3 and Wii.

PS3 - UP by 1.4 Million
Wii - DOWN by 250k

Talk about contradicting yourself and your PS3 has packed it in statement. When the numbers clearly show otherwise.