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pizzahut451 on 24 September 2010
Scoobes said:
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What religion actually says God lives in cloud???. And while i dont know that my interpretation about my God is true, i know that interpretation about a God living on clouds is false. Is it that hard to understand?? If i can PROVE that there is no God living in the clouds than that interpretation of God is false. And since we know that no one lives in the clouds, we know 100 percent that is false.


How exactly can you prove that when no evidence for gods existence actually... exists? It's all subjective as the actual concept of god is not set in stone.


Evidence about God not living in the clouds?  Uhh, have you ever been in a plane? If you were, did you ever see a God up there in the clouds? Or have you ever looked in the sky?

Again, the concept of god is wishy-washy. Have you ever seen god period? How do you know you can see god with your eyes? How do you know god exists at all?

if God lived in the clouds i would be able to see him. but i cant because there is no God on the clouds. and im not here to prove the exsitance of God, im just sayin that the concept of God living in cloudsis ridicilous and dumb. And my question on Reasonable was what kind of evidence shows that God doesnt exist. Why are you trying to spin everything???



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pizzahut451 on 24 September 2010
kowhoho said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:


What religion actually says God lives in cloud???. And while i dont know that my interpretation about my God is true, i know that interpretation about a God living on clouds is false. Is it that hard to understand?? If i can PROVE that there is no God living in the clouds than that interpretation of God is false. And since we know that no one lives in the clouds, we know 100 percent that is false.


How exactly can you prove that when no evidence for gods existence actually... exists? It's all subjective as the actual concept of god is not set in stone.


Evidence about God not living in the clouds?  Uhh, have you ever been in a plane? If you were, did you ever see a God up there in the clouds? Or have you ever looked in the sky?

Have you looked at 100% of the sky? Could those of us not making observations through telescopes day in and day out even know for certain that there isn't an entire ecosystem of perpetually airborne creatures flying around up there? Nope.


you cant possibly be serious...



pizzahut451 on 24 September 2010
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You're still not getting my point. You have no way of knowing whether your interpretation of god is true any more than someone else's interpretation or religion. It's completely subjective. Just because one religion defines what and where god exists doesn't mean it's true. 

As lots of different religions, belief systems and individual points of view exist, it doesn't matter how educated or uneducated you are on the matter of religion x, y or z, you can't know. You only know what you're told from reading the different religious texts or from religious authority. But then they're conflicting as well.


What religion actually says God lives in cloud???. And while i dont know that my interpretation about my God is true, i know that interpretation about a God living on clouds is false. Is it that hard to understand?? If i can PROVE that there is no God living in the clouds than that interpretation of God is false. And since we know that no one lives in the clouds, we know 100 percent that is false.

What religion says he lives in the clouds? Well mine does. I just made it 2 seconds ago, didn't you hear? I've gotten a few thousand people to believe me already. Can I start collecting money yet?

please dont ever quote me again



Scoobes on 24 September 2010
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:


What religion actually says God lives in cloud???. And while i dont know that my interpretation about my God is true, i know that interpretation about a God living on clouds is false. Is it that hard to understand?? If i can PROVE that there is no God living in the clouds than that interpretation of God is false. And since we know that no one lives in the clouds, we know 100 percent that is false.


How exactly can you prove that when no evidence for gods existence actually... exists? It's all subjective as the actual concept of god is not set in stone.


Evidence about God not living in the clouds?  Uhh, have you ever been in a plane? If you were, did you ever see a God up there in the clouds? Or have you ever looked in the sky?

Again, the concept of god is wishy-washy. Have you ever seen god period? How do you know you can see god with your eyes? How do you know god exists at all?

if God lived in the clouds i would be able to see him. but i cant because there is no God on the clouds. and im not here to prove the exsitance of God, im just sayin that the concept of God living in cloudsis ridicilous and dumb. And my question on Reasonable was what kind of evidence shows that God doesnt exist. Why are you trying to spin everything???

But the same logic I've been using can be in turn used to say god exists (and has been, that being that you cannot know god and he/she/it could take many incomprehensible forms). If the idea of god existing in the clouds is one you can so easily disregard, why is it you are so willing to believe in the entire concept of a sentient god?

And as for your answer to Reasonable, when their is no evidence to support something existing, yet people believe in its existence, I would say it is for the believers to provide the evidence. If someone said they believed in a 50 ft chimeric creature with a lion for a head, a snake for a tail and the body of a horse, I would most definately ask for evidence. In no way could I disprove the existence of such a creature, yet logic and evidence are to the contrary suggesting it doesn't exist.

And lol @ your last post :P




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pizzahut451 on 25 September 2010
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:
Scoobes said:
pizzahut451 said:


What religion actually says God lives in cloud???. And while i dont know that my interpretation about my God is true, i know that interpretation about a God living on clouds is false. Is it that hard to understand?? If i can PROVE that there is no God living in the clouds than that interpretation of God is false. And since we know that no one lives in the clouds, we know 100 percent that is false.


How exactly can you prove that when no evidence for gods existence actually... exists? It's all subjective as the actual concept of god is not set in stone.


Evidence about God not living in the clouds?  Uhh, have you ever been in a plane? If you were, did you ever see a God up there in the clouds? Or have you ever looked in the sky?

Again, the concept of god is wishy-washy. Have you ever seen god period? How do you know you can see god with your eyes? How do you know god exists at all?

if God lived in the clouds i would be able to see him. but i cant because there is no God on the clouds. and im not here to prove the exsitance of God, im just sayin that the concept of God living in cloudsis ridicilous and dumb. And my question on Reasonable was what kind of evidence shows that God doesnt exist. Why are you trying to spin everything???

But the same logic I've been using can be in turn used to say god exists (and has been, that being that you cannot know god and he/she/it could take many incomprehensible forms). If the idea of god existing in the clouds is one you can so easily disregard, why is it you are so willing to believe in the entire concept of a sentient god?

And as for your answer to Reasonable, when their is no evidence to support something existing, yet people believe in its existence, I would say it is for the believers to provide the evidence. If someone said they believed in a 50 ft chimeric creature with a lion for a head, a snake for a tail and the body of a horse, I would most definately ask for evidence. In no way could I disprove the existence of such a creature, yet logic and evidence are to the contrary suggesting it doesn't exist.

And lol @ your last post :P

Because my concept of God is that he present EVERYWHERE, not that he is living somehwere. A God can not be present on only one place in the universe and ignore the rest.

 

And i believe that no one needs to prove anything. If you believe in God, fine, im sure your hapy that way and you have your reasons. And if you dont believe in God, thats ok too, im sure you have your reasons that i am not going to try to disporve. I was just asking HIM what kind of evidence made him sure in non existance of God., thats all. And 50ft chimeran creature is  made out of human imagination. A concept of God ( ANY God) is something humanity believed ever since thier mind was developed enough to ask questions. So they cant be compared.



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kowhoho on 25 September 2010
pizzahut451 said:
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Evidence about God not living in the clouds?  Uhh, have you ever been in a plane? If you were, did you ever see a God up there in the clouds? Or have you ever looked in the sky?

Have you looked at 100% of the sky? Could those of us not making observations through telescopes day in and day out even know for certain that there isn't an entire ecosystem of perpetually airborne creatures flying around up there? Nope.


you cant possibly be serious...

You say that the thought of God living in the clouds is ridiculous, but how can you yourself be certain of that? Looking up doesn't guarantee that you know everything about the sky. You're the one who must be kidding.



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kowhoho on 25 September 2010
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please dont ever quote me again

Plugging your ears and saying I'm not here doesn't make your arguments any less illogical.

If you want to be taken seriously then you're gonna have to address the arguments I have made rather than running from them and screaming "No, no, no!"



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kowhoho on 25 September 2010
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Well as an atheist I like to kill, rape, pilage, steal, make child pornagraphy and basically just not give a fuck about anyone but myself. Oh yeah and I like to drown puppies.

 

To so that atheists have no morals is to say morals are absolute, only a self rightous religous person could say that especially when morals can never really be proved to be universal.

 

 

Look at the prison populations and tell me that most of them are not Christians in America.

They are not.

Proof?

the fact they comitted a crime and they are in prison

I said proof that they're not Christians, not proof that they're not good Christians. There is a difference.

This guy is in denile. He actually thinks you can define a good Christian when Christians can't even agree on what is a good Christian.





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kowhoho on 25 September 2010
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If anything, Atheists are more 'moral' than the rest of society as we have the lowest crime rates of all 'religious' groups, though that probably has more to do with atheists tending to be more educated and wealthy, which are better predictions of likelihood to commit crime.

just a fiiiiiiine example of arrogance that is so incredibly high among atheists

Its not arrogance if its a fact.  Look at statistics on the matter, you'll find that atheists tend to be more educated and wealthier than the rest of society and that atheists have lower crime rates.

As I said before, I think economics is the biggest predictor of crime, and it makes sense that wealthy people aren't going to be knocking up banks and jacking cars.  Thus, atheists commit less crime but aren't necessarily more moral than the rest of society, though its ridiculous that people would consider atheists less moral when they are the best behaved members of society.


Oh yeah? The fact that you generalize everything in that post makes me wanna puke. First of all, a group of people CANT be more educated than the other. You'll find atheists who are smarter than christians and christians that are smarter than atheists. And statistics werent done on ALL christians and atheists, so its pretty stupid to say that ''atheists tend to be more educated and wealthier than the rest of society''. That is incredibly arrogant

Oh, now I see why you don't want to talk to me. It's clear you have some prejudice going.

Education has nothing to do with intelligence. If the statistics are reliable and say that atheism and low crime rates/wealth are correlated, you can reasonably come to the conclusion that an atheist is less likely to commit crimes or make little money than other people.

This isn't arrogance. I think what you read his post looking for arrogance. You wanted to believe this guy was arrogant because of your inherent prejudice against him. Nowhere in his post was anything "generalized."

I'm sure you thought he was implying that atheism and wealth and all that are CAUSEATED, when in fact he only stated that they are CORRELATED. In other words, you can use the data to make predictions about atheists, non-criminals, and wealthy people, but you can't say that the variables of the study are directly causing one another.

If you were EDUCATED in Probability and Statistics you would have known that of course. The fact that you haven't taken the course (or just didn't really retain what you learned) has no bearing on your intelligence, however.

In short, you need to calm down.



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kowhoho on 25 September 2010

Is this moral? I'd say not.

Morality doesn't attach itself to religion or schools of thought, and it can't be measured or compared.

Just because the wackjob who composed this poster is a Christian doesn't mean his religion influenced his/her decision to make it. Their family/upbringing probably had a greater effect.



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