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TheRealMafoo said:
sapphi_snake said:

Were people actually people discussing making Qu'ran burning illegal??? I though the point of this thread was to discuss whether this gesture is counter-productive or not.


Yea, someone was equating burning the books to that of looking at child porn. It's how we got on these weird tangent.

As for being counter-productive, depends on the mans goal. For his goal, I think he has been extremely productive.

If I had to guess what's running though his head, it would be that he links terrorist attacks to Islam. He feels the government has been doing an effective job at removing that link.

He has done an outstanding job of undermining that. It would have been counter-productive, if he burned the books, and no one cared. Then he would have proved Washington's point.

If I propose something like "International Burn the Bible Day, starts December 25 @ 00:00 AM" I can assure you I'll get at least a couple of death threats. Heck, John Lennon was killed by a Christian guy because he insulted Christianity in an interview (and I don't remember the press calling that guy a Christian terrorist).

I don't really think anyone's surprised that this pastor guy got death threats. When you insult a religion (any religion), especially one where most of it's beleivers live in countries that might as well be in the Middle Ages from a cultural POV, the fact that peopel make threats on your life shouldn't be a surprise.



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sapphi_snake said:
TheRealMafoo said:
sapphi_snake said:

Were people actually people discussing making Qu'ran burning illegal??? I though the point of this thread was to discuss whether this gesture is counter-productive or not.


Yea, someone was equating burning the books to that of looking at child porn. It's how we got on these weird tangent.

As for being counter-productive, depends on the mans goal. For his goal, I think he has been extremely productive.

If I had to guess what's running though his head, it would be that he links terrorist attacks to Islam. He feels the government has been doing an effective job at removing that link.

He has done an outstanding job of undermining that. It would have been counter-productive, if he burned the books, and no one cared. Then he would have proved Washington's point.

If I propose something like "International Burn the Bible Day, starts December 25 @ 00:00 AM" I can assure you I'll get at least a couple of death threats. Heck, John Lennon was killed by a Christian guy because he insulted Christianity in an interview (and I don't remember the press calling that guy a Christian terrorist).

I don't really think anyone's surprised that this pastor guy got death threats. When you insult a religion (any religion), especially one where most of it's beleivers live in countries that might as well be in the Middle Ages from a cultural POV, the fact that peopel make threats on your life shouldn't be a surprise.

The problem is, the same people who made death threats, want to kill us anyway. Before this man threatened to burn book, they had been left alone by the media. Now we are talking about them again.

In my eyes, the most dangerous thing we can do as a country, is forget they exist. he did a good job of making sure that doesn't happen.



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TheRealMafoo said:

The problem is, the same people who made death threats, want to kill us anyway. Before this man threatened to burn book, they had been left alone by the media. Now we are talking about them again.

In my eyes, the most dangerous thing we can do as a country, is forget they exist. he did a good job of making sure that doesn't happen.

I'm curious, is the existence of these terrorist groups dependent on how many times it's mentioned by the media? If the media doesn't mention every single day that terrorists exist (and they wanna destroy the West etc.), do the people forget they exist, or think they disappeared and are no longer a threat?

If the answer's "yes", then the problem lies with society, not the media.



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sapphi_snake said:
TheRealMafoo said:

The problem is, the same people who made death threats, want to kill us anyway. Before this man threatened to burn book, they had been left alone by the media. Now we are talking about them again.

In my eyes, the most dangerous thing we can do as a country, is forget they exist. he did a good job of making sure that doesn't happen.

I'm curious, is the existence of these terrorist groups dependent on how many times it's mentioned by the media? If the media doesn't mention every single day that terrorists exist (and they wanna destroy the West etc.), do the people forget they exist, or think they disappeared and are no longer a threat?

If the answer's "yes", then the problem lies with society, not the media.

I find his answer curious. It sounds like he thinks burning the Quran would have been a good thing because of the publicity. I hope that's not the case.



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TheRealMafoo said:
sapphi_snake said:
TheRealMafoo said:
sapphi_snake said:

Were people actually people discussing making Qu'ran burning illegal??? I though the point of this thread was to discuss whether this gesture is counter-productive or not.


Yea, someone was equating burning the books to that of looking at child porn. It's how we got on these weird tangent.

As for being counter-productive, depends on the mans goal. For his goal, I think he has been extremely productive.

If I had to guess what's running though his head, it would be that he links terrorist attacks to Islam. He feels the government has been doing an effective job at removing that link.

He has done an outstanding job of undermining that. It would have been counter-productive, if he burned the books, and no one cared. Then he would have proved Washington's point.

If I propose something like "International Burn the Bible Day, starts December 25 @ 00:00 AM" I can assure you I'll get at least a couple of death threats. Heck, John Lennon was killed by a Christian guy because he insulted Christianity in an interview (and I don't remember the press calling that guy a Christian terrorist).

I don't really think anyone's surprised that this pastor guy got death threats. When you insult a religion (any religion), especially one where most of it's beleivers live in countries that might as well be in the Middle Ages from a cultural POV, the fact that peopel make threats on your life shouldn't be a surprise.

The problem is, the same people who made death threats, want to kill us anyway. Before this man threatened to burn book, they had been left alone by the media. Now we are talking about them again.

In my eyes, the most dangerous thing we can do as a country, is forget they exist. he did a good job of making sure that doesn't happen.


But wouldn't you say that the mosque issue did that more than the book burning? I mean from my point of view the book burning thing did a better job of reminding Islamic extremists why they hate the USA than it did remind people that there were Islamic extremists. 

I mean if there was little to no reaction to the mosque and then this guy did did what he did and then people started trying to stop the mosque I could understand your argument, but as it stands frankly your argument just seems stupid frankly. 



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TheRealMafoo said:
d21lewis said:

Well, I got a tweet yesterday saying that they no longer plan to burn the Quran (see--I told you guys that Twitter was worth having!).  I think they made the right choice.


Have you gotten a tweet yet telling you he still might. He has said he was lied to when he made that statement. He was told the Mosque near 911 was going to be moved, and that seems to not be true.

The more I hear about this, the more I want to do my own demonstration.

I want to find 5 of every holly book. The Quran, Bible, Old testament, Bhagawat Geeta, the Tripitaka, and anything else I can think of.

I want to then burn them all, and then see who gets pissed off and wants to kill me, and my country.

Let's really see of all religions are created equal.

They didn't do it.  According to USA, "Not now, not ever."  Score one for me, Twitter, and doing the right thing.



zarx said:
TheRealMafoo said:
sapphi_snake said:
TheRealMafoo said:
sapphi_snake said:

Were people actually people discussing making Qu'ran burning illegal??? I though the point of this thread was to discuss whether this gesture is counter-productive or not.


Yea, someone was equating burning the books to that of looking at child porn. It's how we got on these weird tangent.

As for being counter-productive, depends on the mans goal. For his goal, I think he has been extremely productive.

If I had to guess what's running though his head, it would be that he links terrorist attacks to Islam. He feels the government has been doing an effective job at removing that link.

He has done an outstanding job of undermining that. It would have been counter-productive, if he burned the books, and no one cared. Then he would have proved Washington's point.

If I propose something like "International Burn the Bible Day, starts December 25 @ 00:00 AM" I can assure you I'll get at least a couple of death threats. Heck, John Lennon was killed by a Christian guy because he insulted Christianity in an interview (and I don't remember the press calling that guy a Christian terrorist).

I don't really think anyone's surprised that this pastor guy got death threats. When you insult a religion (any religion), especially one where most of it's beleivers live in countries that might as well be in the Middle Ages from a cultural POV, the fact that peopel make threats on your life shouldn't be a surprise.

The problem is, the same people who made death threats, want to kill us anyway. Before this man threatened to burn book, they had been left alone by the media. Now we are talking about them again.

In my eyes, the most dangerous thing we can do as a country, is forget they exist. he did a good job of making sure that doesn't happen.


But wouldn't you say that the mosque issue did that more than the book burning? I mean from my point of view the book burning thing did a better job of reminding Islamic extremists why they hate the USA than it did remind people that there were Islamic extremists. 

I mean if there was little to no reaction to the mosque and then this guy did did what he did and then people started trying to stop the mosque I could understand your argument, but as it stands frankly your argument just seems stupid frankly. 

No. Here is my argument.

There are a group of people who follow Islam that are bad. Not all, but some. This center starts to get talked about, and you have some people on one side saying wait a minute, this thing could be being built by the small part of Islam that is bad. The other side is saying that part of Islam doesn't even exist. your making it all up in your head. There is no such thing as radical Islam.

This guy says "oh really? Well, let's see if that's true".



sapphi_snake said:
IvorEvilen said:


It makes me think of the crusades(not a perfect comparison, just going for the general idea)... but yeah, it just really sucks >_>

The problem with that comparison is that Islamic terrorists organisations aren't representative as a whole for muslims and muslim society. In the case of the Crusades you had European states wage war on muslim states, and the Catholic Church inciting anti-mulsim sentiments within the general population, so the scale was much larger, and it could be viewed as representative as the main institutions of the time (the monarch and the Church) were supporting the Crusades. Also regular Christians back then were not tolerant of others' beliefs, them beeing very radical, plus influenced by the Church, so I doubt they had much sympathy for the muslims.

I did say it's not a good comparison... but the fact still remains that the crusades were a dark time that I'm sure many people wish had never happened.

Oh well, you can't change history; only learn from it.



TheRealMafoo said:
zarx said:
But wouldn't you say that the mosque issue did that more than the book burning? I mean from my point of view the book burning thing did a better job of reminding Islamic extremists why they hate the USA than it did remind people that there were Islamic extremists. 

I mean if there was little to no reaction to the mosque and then this guy did did what he did and then people started trying to stop the mosque I could understand your argument, but as it stands frankly your argument just seems stupid frankly. 

No. Here is my argument.

There are a group of people who follow Islam that are bad. Not all, but some. This center starts to get talked about, and you have some people on one side saying wait a minute, this thing could be being built by the small part of Islam that is bad. The other side is saying that part of Islam doesn't even exist. your making it all up in your head. There is no such thing as radical Islam.

This guy says "oh really? Well, let's see if that's true".

Look I know not everyone makes a fetish out of 9/11. 

But I think we all know it happened.  And I think we all know that the perpretrators were in fact Muslim and claiming that they acted in the name of Allah or whatever. 

Who do you know who denies any of that? 



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