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stranne said:
@ChronoTrigger:"In a few years time the world will be moving on to High Def, do you think our internet will support 50gig movie downloads in minutes by that time?"

Streaming? I think most of our internet will support 50 gig movie downloads in 1-2 hours by that time.

Also, I think it will be more like on Microsoft's Marketplace. Movies and tv shows in both SD and HD with various sizes and fees. You'll have a lot of choices.

The thing about that though, is Avi was stating that the world isn't comming around to an HD format nearly as quickly as some would like, and in terms of downloading movies? Hell there's more people in america that can operate a DVD player but simply can't figure out how to download... anything o.o; I think digital downloads will have a much more complicated curve to it, the reason high def disk sales are still low is because the ammount of high def TV's is also quite low, and high def players are still quite expensive :P (looking at you blu-ray). Now I believe download's has a semi-edge to it at the moment with the fact that you can download SD movies, but with all these bundles with blu-ray and HD-DVD movies comming with players. It's only a matter of time before HD takes off. And I think that time will be long before we have the internet to support HD downloads.



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Blah blah blah, the truth is , consumer awareness on HD is still low. The mass market will be ready for HD in 2010-2011 when the next generation arrives. Sony jumped the gun by one generation. Prices will also have come down considerably for blue ray or hd dvd by then to where it wont even be a factor. At the same time, high speed internet connection will have a considerably larger penetration and digital distribution will movies will be immensely more popular than disk formats by then.



2011 you are a joker. The last as tv will be sold in the not too far future. You have to search them with a magnifying glass. Hd player prices are dropping like stones and will soon be reaching DVD player prices. This time players are completely backwards compatible. If you meant 2008 instead of 2011. You would be more acurate



Kyros said:
2011 you are a joker. The last as tv will be sold in the not too far future.

People make this mistake over and over again.  Just because they aren't selling SDTVs anymore doesn't mean people aren't still holding onto the SDTVs they already have instead of buying new ones.  Also, TV adoption rate is not the only factor in terms of "market readiness" for HD.  You have to be able to deliver content at a reasonable price as well, not just the platform.



I've been in Nintendo's camp since SEGA died because they're the only GAMES company making a videoGAMES system.

All the multimedia BS (such as Sony forcing Blu-ray + MS allies with HD-DVD) taking center stage in the videogames world really bothers me. It makes companies take focus off of what a games company should -- make creative and fun videogames.



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DOATS1 said:
@eugene

of course the 360 is the new xbox lol. thats what it was intended to be XD.
just kidding.

i think the ds is going to do what gameboy did. appeal to everybody. i despised the n64 and gc but my gameboy never left my side. its a different element to gaming.

i cant seem to understand how you conclude with ps3 bing the new psp. psp has actually sold a very good amount of hardware since release. ps3 is more inline with being the new gamecube imo. the ds just makes psp look extremely bad. but its not. ds is just the daddy when it comes to handhelds.

I think he is pretaining to how both the PSP and the PS3 sell ridiculously low amounts of software relative to the hardware sold. The PS3 isn't nearly as bad though, but the top games on the system do drop like rocks when it comes to longevity. The PSP on the other hand is horrendous for software sales. Keep in mind I do really like the system personally, but what I normally buy on it are remakes of old games (maverick hunter, FF: tactics etc.).



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GhaleonUnlimited said:
I've been in Nintendo's camp since SEGA died because they're the only GAMES company making a videoGAMES system.

All the multimedia BS (such as Sony forcing Blu-ray + MS allies with HD-DVD) taking center stage in the videogames world really bothers me. It makes companies take focus off of what a games company should -- make creative and fun videogames.

 Game developers don't give two shakes of a lambs tail about which format wins the war >_>; it's not like the platform of choice is magically going to stop using them x.x; PSP games are STILL made on UMD's, hell if anything this gives them more creative freedom to include higher textures, better audio, behind the scenes, etc etc.



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MrPickles said:
eugene said:
Well you have to remember why Microsoft entered the game world in the first place. For the last 10 years, they were frowned on Walstreet for no longer being a stock growth. They just were not growing mostly cause they tapped their market to saturation. They needed to enter new markets to grow. They dont need more profits, as a company, there probably happy, but they need new investors and they wont iattract any if investors feel they wont get any returns. The gaming world is rich and so is the Mp3 portable media player world. gaming made Nintendo the huge empire it is today and Ipods made Apple the huge empire they are today. They entered these highly competitive markets, if for any other reason, greater revenue and growth. There real enemy, do not be fooled, is Google as their stock growth have been making Microsoft look extremely bad in silicon valley.

That is an awesome theory, and one that I've never heard before.  MS' stocks were getting flat and potential investors needed incentive.  However, I tend to believe that the reason they entered the game market in particular (aside from the fact that it wouldn't take much effort for them to build a console) was to directly combat Sony.  Sony was taking over the living room entertainment centre, and MS wanted it for themselves.  So, they slapped together some computer parts, made a console that was much more powerful than PS2, made it look sleek and sexy, and shipped it to gaming outlets everywhere.  Even though they failed miserably in the marketshare area, they took a sizable chunk out of Sony's 'mindshare', if you follow me.

  Simply put, if Sony was not already in the business, MS likely would never have jumped in.


I'm assuming you are talking about the original Xbox in bold up top. I think you are the only person in the world who thinks that the original Xbox is sleek and sexy. I'm sorry I couldn't help myself.

As for the rest of the post, I agree to a certain extent, but not whole-heartedly. I don't think MS and Sony were ever in DIRECT competition until MS decided to release the Xbox. I agree with the post from Eugene a bit more. The only part I don't agree with Eugene, is the part where you say MS was happy with the profit they were making. That is the whole point of getting more investors and expanding markets. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MAKING DOUGH.



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ChronotriggerJM said:
stranne said:
@ChronoTrigger:"In a few years time the world will be moving on to High Def, do you think our internet will support 50gig movie downloads in minutes by that time?"

Streaming? I think most of our internet will support 50 gig movie downloads in 1-2 hours by that time.

Also, I think it will be more like on Microsoft's Marketplace. Movies and tv shows in both SD and HD with various sizes and fees. You'll have a lot of choices.

The thing about that though, is Avi was stating that the world isn't comming around to an HD format nearly as quickly as some would like, and in terms of downloading movies? Hell there's more people in america that can operate a DVD player but simply can't figure out how to download... anything o.o; I think digital downloads will have a much more complicated curve to it, the reason high def disk sales are still low is because the ammount of high def TV's is also quite low, and high def players are still quite expensive :P (looking at you blu-ray). Now I believe download's has a semi-edge to it at the moment with the fact that you can download SD movies, but with all these bundles with blu-ray and HD-DVD movies comming with players. It's only a matter of time before HD takes off. And I think that time will be long before we have the internet to support HD downloads.


You are right that the average person doesn't know how to download anything, just like the average person doesn't know how to use even half the features of the PS3. Sony has screwed themselves big time in this generation. They made their system way too advanced and far ahead of its time. The time of HD is NOT now. It will still be several years before HD really takes hold.

And as far as the Sony "10 year plan" with the PS3 goes, what happens if Nintendo releases a system in 4-5 years that is just as powerful as the PS3, costs the same as the original Wii, plays almost every game ever made by Nintendo, and has superior everything? Answer: Sony stops making game consoles...



solidarii said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
stranne said:
@ChronoTrigger:"In a few years time the world will be moving on to High Def, do you think our internet will support 50gig movie downloads in minutes by that time?"

Streaming? I think most of our internet will support 50 gig movie downloads in 1-2 hours by that time.

Also, I think it will be more like on Microsoft's Marketplace. Movies and tv shows in both SD and HD with various sizes and fees. You'll have a lot of choices.

The thing about that though, is Avi was stating that the world isn't comming around to an HD format nearly as quickly as some would like, and in terms of downloading movies? Hell there's more people in america that can operate a DVD player but simply can't figure out how to download... anything o.o; I think digital downloads will have a much more complicated curve to it, the reason high def disk sales are still low is because the ammount of high def TV's is also quite low, and high def players are still quite expensive :P (looking at you blu-ray). Now I believe download's has a semi-edge to it at the moment with the fact that you can download SD movies, but with all these bundles with blu-ray and HD-DVD movies comming with players. It's only a matter of time before HD takes off. And I think that time will be long before we have the internet to support HD downloads.


You are right that the average person doesn't know how to download anything, just like the average person doesn't know how to use even half the features of the PS3. Sony has screwed themselves big time in this generation. They made their system way too advanced and far ahead of its time. The time of HD is NOT now. It will still be several years before HD really takes hold.

And as far as the Sony "10 year plan" with the PS3 goes, what happens if Nintendo releases a system in 4-5 years that is just as powerful as the PS3, costs the same as the original Wii, plays almost every game ever made by Nintendo, and has superior everything? Answer: Sony stops making game consoles...


 LOL far from, by that time the PS3 will cost next to nothing for them to produce, the ps2 is currently still selling quite well :P SONY will push the PS4 out way before the end of the 3's lifespan. The fact that Sony did put out hardware that not everyone understands is great :) People keep forgetting that Sony will push ps3's for 10 years as long as people are buying them :D Will the be top of the line in 5? Probably not, but the ps2 is far from "top of the line" ;)



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