$10 extra per year isn't that bad but its still kind of annoying.
Mr Puggsly said:
If it gets more expensive down the road, I may rethink paying for the service. But right now it only comes out to $5. Most of us can easily afford that. |
Why would anybody defend big business and not care about themselves? Microsoft is making money, yet they fell a need to demand more. You seem like the kind of guy with a 360 emblem tatooed on the mouth and anus because you will defend any business practice, get real you should matter to yourself more than a business should define you.
chocoloco said:
Why would anybody defend big business and not care about themselves? Microsoft is making money, yet they fell a need to demand more. You seem like the kind of guy with a 360 emblem tatooed on the mouth and anus because you will defend any business practice, get real you should matter to yourself more than a business should define you. |
Microsoft is making money, but they still need to make a lot to get the 360 out of the red. Wouldn't you like to see atleast one HD console in the black this gen? We both know Sony ain't gonna get there.
I used to pay $10 - $15 dollars to play a single MMO. Now I pay considerably less to play 360 games online.
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Mr Puggsly said:
Microsoft is making money, but they still need to make a lot to get the 360 out of the red. Wouldn't you like to see atleast one HD console in the black this gen? We both know Sony ain't gonna get there. I used to pay $10 - $15 dollars to play a single MMO. Now I pay considerably less to play 360 games online. |
I agree strongly with the idea that the HD consoles should be making profit. Still I think Microsoft should focus on doing it in ways that benifit the consumer. You know man, like make new IPs like Halo, Gears, or Fable so that the consumer gains something and not to continue trends of increasing services that are already profitable.
Its cool you paid to play what you like, but the practice of getting a consumer hooked on something and then going on to increase its value with the full intention of knowing your consumer is hooked and will continue to pay is not a practice that benifits anyone but the already rich. Its minipulation and a method of control that only those with tons of money can do. It may be the principle of capitalism to always be looking for greater profit, but at some point you must demand mutual benits from a company and not just have them demand more of you. BTW I would criticize MS less if they did what I said earlier and made more true exclusives.
Mr Puggsly said:
Microsoft: What's your finacial situation this generation? Selling those PS3s like you expected? Sony: ... Microsoft: Well you guys still rolling in that PS2 money, right? Sony: ... Microsoft: Well you still must have PSP money, right? Those things sold like hot cakes. Sony: ... Microsoft: PS3 hardware ate all that money up? Ouch. I imagine PSN Plus is a big hit. All the great stuff you get, people must be signing up like crazy. Sony: Well... we give the best PSN features for free. Microsoft: ... Sony: ... Microsoft: Are you even trying to make money? Sony: But we can make money doing everything you do for free. Microsoft: Really? Sony: No... |
2003
Valve: Hey Microsoft, wanna partner with us to make a service that could put PC Gaming over the top?
Microsoft: No, your idea is 10 years too soon. We don't want to have anything with you guys.
Valve: You are losing a great opportunity.
Microsoft: Whatever, we are going to consoles. We aren't focused on PC games.
2006
Microsoft: How's business?
Valve: Steam is all over. And you guys said it couldn't be done.
Microsoft: But aren't you giving Steam for free?
Valve: Yeah, which is why getting million of new costumers.
Microsoft: Whatever, PC games don't sell. Consoles are where the money's at.
Valve: But didn't you lose billions with the Xbox?!
Microsoft: Yes, but our idea was to win the console industry with the Xbox 360, not the original Xbox.
2007
Microsoft: Hey Valve, I'm launching GFWL! It will be a stronghold for PC gaming.
Valve: Cool, but what is GFWL?
Microsoft: It's like Xbox Live for PC, and you to pay to use it too.
Valve: What the hell?! PC Gamers won't pay for GFWL ever!
Microsoft: Whatever, we forced millions of console gamers to pay for nothing, PC gamers will too.
Valve: It won't work. PC gamers can't be forced to use GFWL.
Microsoft: We'll win, many big publishers are already supporting us.
2009
Valve: So how's GFWL?
Microsoft: Badly. No one paid for it, so we had to make GFWL free.
Valve: I told you.
Microsoft: Whatever, PC Gaming is dying. We're closing down all our PC studios.
Valve: WTF?! That's insane! You'll regret this.
Microsoft: PC Gaming is dying, and the money's on consoles.
Valve: You should stop reading NPD numbers...
2010
Microsoft: *reads PR statement* "PC Gaming is important to us. We are always committed to PC Gaming"
Valve: Huh?!
Microsoft: We are coming back in full force to PC Gaming! We are releasing new games on PC, and GFWL will be a stronghold for PC Gaming.
Valve: I've heard this before. Have you even released anything in the past 3 years on PC?
Microsoft: No, "but we are committed..."
Valve: Dude, look:
- You lost billions with the original Xbox.
- You are losing billions with the Xbox 360, and are nowhere near the Wii.
- You closed all your PC studios.
- GFWL hasn't improved since launch and is still complete crap.
- All publishers that supported GFWL have abandoned you, and came over to Steam instead.
- You haven't released a PC game for years, and won't release before 2011 (if at all).
Microsoft: We thought PC Gaming was dying...
Valve: PC was the only platform to grow in 2009, and 2010 so far. It has always been growing. It was your fault for only reading NPD, and now Steam is so big that we are on MAC now. HAHAHAHA!!!!
shio said:
Valve: Hey Microsoft, wanna partner with us to make a service that could put PC Gaming over the top? Microsoft: No, your idea is 10 years too soon. We don't want to have anything with you guys. Valve: You are losing a great opportunity. Microsoft: Whatever, we are going to consoles. We aren't focused on PC games. 2006Microsoft: How's business? Valve: Steam is all over. And you guys said it couldn't be done. Microsoft: But aren't you giving Steam for free? Valve: Yeah, which is why getting million of new costumers. Microsoft: Whatever, PC games don't sell. Consoles are where the money's at. Valve: But didn't you lose billions with the Xbox?! Microsoft: Yes, but our idea was to win the console industry with the Xbox 360, not the original Xbox. 2007Microsoft: Hey Valve, I'm launching GFWL! It will be a stronghold for PC gaming. Valve: Cool, but what is GFWL? Microsoft: It's like Xbox Live for PC, and you to pay to use it too. Valve: What the hell?! PC Gamers won't pay for GFWL ever! Microsoft: Whatever, we forced millions of console gamers to pay for nothing, PC gamers will too. Valve: It won't work. PC gamers can't be forced to use GFWL. Microsoft: We'll win, many big publishers are already supporting us. 2009Steam: So how's GFWL? Microsoft: Badly. No one paid for it, so we had to make GFWL free. Steam: I told you. Microsoft: Whatever, PC Gaming is dying. We're closing down all our PC studios. Steam: WTF?! That's insane! You'll regret this. Microsoft: PC Gaming is dying, and the money's on consoles. Steam: You should stop reading NPD numbers... 2010Microsoft: *reads PR statement* "PC Gaming is important to us. We are always committed to PC Gaming" Valve: Huh?! Microsoft: We are coming back in full force to PC Gaming! We are releasing new games on PC, and GFWL will be a stronghold for PC Gaming. Valve: I've heard this before. Have you even released anything in the past 3 years on PC. Microsoft: No, "but we are committed..." Valve: Dude, look: Microsoft: We thought PC Gaming was dying... Valve: PC was the only platform to grow in 2009, and 2010 so far. It has always been growing. It was your fault for only reading NPD, and now Steam is so big that we are on MAC now. HAHAHAHA!!!! |
this is getting interesting.
quick someone reply
*goes and grabs popcorn*
Being in 3rd place never felt so good
Alby_da_Wolf said:
So if it was added for free, it's available also with Silver accounts. |
Did you not read a word I wrote? Here, let me put it a differant way so you can hopefully understand. Facebook was an add-on that did not cost Gold users any more money than before, therefore it is NOT a pay service, if it was, the price of Gold would have gone up at launch to compensate.
| Squilliam said: Gamer butts have been found to be very accommodating. Im sure they can fit a few more inches at least... |
I simply MUST quote you on this, good sir!!!
shio said:
2003 Valve: Hey Microsoft, wanna partner with us to make a service that could put PC Gaming over the top? Microsoft: No, your idea is 10 years too soon. We don't want to have anything with you guys. Valve: You are losing a great opportunity. Microsoft: Whatever, we are going to consoles. We aren't focused on PC games. 2006 Microsoft: How's business? Valve: Steam is all over. And you guys said it couldn't be done. Microsoft: But aren't you giving Steam for free? Valve: Yeah, which is why getting million of new costumers. Microsoft: Whatever, PC games don't sell. Consoles are where the money's at. Valve: But didn't you lose billions with the Xbox?! Microsoft: Yes, but our idea was to win the console industry with the Xbox 360, not the original Xbox. 2007 Microsoft: Hey Valve, I'm launching GFWL! It will be a stronghold for PC gaming. Valve: Cool, but what is GFWL? Microsoft: It's like Xbox Live for PC, and you to pay to use it too. Valve: What the hell?! PC Gamers won't pay for GFWL ever! Microsoft: Whatever, we forced millions of console gamers to pay for nothing, PC gamers will too. Valve: It won't work. PC gamers can't be forced to use GFWL. Microsoft: We'll win, many big publishers are already supporting us. 2009 Valve: So how's GFWL? Microsoft: Badly. No one paid for it, so we had to make GFWL free. Valve: I told you. Microsoft: Whatever, PC Gaming is dying. We're closing down all our PC studios. Valve: WTF?! That's insane! You'll regret this. Microsoft: PC Gaming is dying, and the money's on consoles. Valve: You should stop reading NPD numbers... 2010 Microsoft: *reads PR statement* "PC Gaming is important to us. We are always committed to PC Gaming" Valve: Huh?! Microsoft: We are coming back in full force to PC Gaming! We are releasing new games on PC, and GFWL will be a stronghold for PC Gaming. Valve: I've heard this before. Have you even released anything in the past 3 years on PC? Microsoft: No, "but we are committed..." Valve: Dude, look: Microsoft: We thought PC Gaming was dying... Valve: PC was the only platform to grow in 2009, and 2010 so far. It has always been growing. It was your fault for only reading NPD, and now Steam is so big that we are on MAC now. HAHAHAHA!!!! |
Which explains why Valve are suddenly focusing on the PS3???
I like how you are quick to focus on Microsofts money making agenda then seem to forget 99% of commercially available Steam games are overpriced compared to their retail counterparts.
Given you have no intention of ever trying xbox live I think you're input in this thread is of little worth personally.
| chocoloco said: I agree strongly with the idea that the HD consoles should be making profit. Still I think Microsoft should focus on doing it in ways that benifit the consumer. You know man, like make new IPs like Halo, Gears, or Fable so that the consumer gains something and not to continue trends of increasing services that are already profitable. Its cool you paid to play what you like, but the practice of getting a consumer hooked on something and then going on to increase its value with the full intention of knowing your consumer is hooked and will continue to pay is not a practice that benifits anyone but the already rich. Its minipulation and a method of control that only those with tons of money can do. It may be the principle of capitalism to always be looking for greater profit, but at some point you must demand mutual benits from a company and not just have them demand more of you. BTW I would criticize MS less if they did what I said earlier and made more true exclusives. |
I see... so big bad Micrsoft is forcing Live on the brainless consumers. The consumers can't choose the competition and the evil MS is forcing them to buy 360s in droves (except Japan, they are too smart)!
Instead of spewing bullshit about how MS is hurting consumers... why don't we just let consumers choose what they want? If consumers are really opposed to paying for onine services, they can go elsewhere. MS doesn't make it a secret that online services come with a fee and that's just part of the way they make money.
People pay $15 to play WoW and nobody gives a shit. That fee only covers the cost of that single crappy game. Yet Activision/Blizzard are often praised for having such an incredibly successful game.
MS charges much less for online play and throw in a bunch of features on top of it. Yet somehow they are greedy and earning money the wrong way? Your arguement is crap.
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ironman said:
I simply MUST quote you on this, good sir!!! |
My concept of "free" is "not paying for it", sorry if I'm too fussy about it...
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