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superchunk said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@superchunk - you must have read a different article. 

Hate crimes against jew outstrip hate crimes against muslim 6-1.

So wouldn't America have Israeliphobia more than islamaphonbia?


Just because one group is larger than the other doesn't mean the acts of phobia on the smaller group are irrelavent. That is a fallacy in logic.

Jews are a larger population and have better political connections allowing more items to come up than Muslims, so its natural for it to be larger.

Additionally, it doesn't take away that post2001 attacks on Muslims are FAR higher than they were before and during times with media created frenzies like this absurd issue with the Mosque they increase again.

You're just minimalizing that which you disagree with.

There are 6.5 million Jewish Americans and, depending on who you believe, 2-3 million Muslim Americans. Jonah's point is that Jews are far more frequently targeted - and disproportionately so - but the media never really makes much of it. Certainly nothing on the scale of their recent Islamophobiaphobia.



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haxxiy said:

That's just the way part of the media is, trying to cram their pseudo-liberal marxist revisionism and personal interests as true history. In time muslims are becoming the untouchable and inquestionable victims much like it happened with blacks in the past. 

You mean like in Sweden?



superchunk said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@superchunk - you must have read a different article. 

Hate crimes against jew outstrip hate crimes against muslim 6-1.

So wouldn't America have Israeliphobia more than islamaphonbia?


Just because one group is larger than the other doesn't mean the acts of phobia on the smaller group are irrelavent. That is a fallacy in logic.

Jews are a larger population and have better political connections allowing more items to come up than Muslims, so its natural for it to be larger.

Additionally, it doesn't take away that post2001 attacks on Muslims are FAR higher than they were before and during times with media created frenzies like this absurd issue with the Mosque they increase again.

You're just minimalizing that which you disagree with.

40 attacks jumping to 480 is a fallacy? What is with this article? What garbage.



superchunk STOP SPREADING FALSE information

The muslim population in America is HIGHER than the jewish population yet jewish hate crimes outnumber muslims hate crimes 6-1

. The population of American adherents of Judaism was estimated to be approximately 5,128,000 (1.7%)[3] of the total population in 2007 (301,621,000

Muslims  make up 2% of the population and ONLY 155 hate crimes out of 315 million people happened last year.

THAT IS NOT A PHOBIA

 Stop your liberal lies



Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:

Article is self defeating.

1. Even after the total number decreased it was still over 4 times higher than pre2001, shown some increase in at least reported incidents.

2. Of the 3000 people murdered on 9/11, a great number of them were Muslim as well.

3. The 'controversial' Mosque is closer to an existing Mosque than Ground Zero and you can't even see it from Ground Zero.

4. This is raised in US because we are the US and must hold ourselves to higher levels and standards than any other nation, especially those Muslim nations you all like to use for comparison so much.

5. No one says America is a land of intolerance, just that it seems the right-wing is becoming more and more radical, which is scary as that path leads to the same extreamism we denounce daily.

6. Author's name is 'Goldberg' (Jewish).... ok j/k on that one, just thought it was funny, ya know whole Isreali/Jewish issue with Palestinian/Arab/Muslim etc... ok joke has past.

3)  The existing community centre isn't... 15 stories tall.

So its not the relative proximity but the height? Just build a bigger memorial... oh wait one hasn't been built yet... after 9 years...

Yes?

I mean, it'd be like building a giant church within visibility of a burned down mosque that people who lost people in the fire had to walk by every day to get to their replacement mosque.

You have the legal right to do it, but you'd be a huge douchebag for doing it.

Although you know... not as bad, since one mosque isn't really equivlenet since way more people make the commute.

And yet the another mosque construction protest is happening hundreds of miles away in tennessee because, according to the logic presented so far, the mosque must extend into space.



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PizzaFaceGamer said:

Draw a sharp line between Muslim terrorists and their law-abiding co-religionists.

As much as like the message intended in that sentence, but think Muslims resent being liked to extremist groups which they say dont abide by Muslim laws



PizzaFaceGamer said:

superchunk STOP SPREADING FALSE information

The muslim population in America is HIGHER than the jewish population yet jewish hate crimes outnumber muslims hate crimes 6-1

. The population of American adherents of Judaism was estimated to be approximately 5,128,000 (1.7%)[3] of the total population in 2007 (301,621,000

Muslims  make up 2% of the population and ONLY 155 hate crimes out of 315 million people happened last year.

THAT IS NOT A PHOBIA

 Stop your liberal lies

 

The difference is that anti-semitic attitude is constant whereas anti-islamic attitude is increasing.



theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:

Article is self defeating.

1. Even after the total number decreased it was still over 4 times higher than pre2001, shown some increase in at least reported incidents.

2. Of the 3000 people murdered on 9/11, a great number of them were Muslim as well.

3. The 'controversial' Mosque is closer to an existing Mosque than Ground Zero and you can't even see it from Ground Zero.

4. This is raised in US because we are the US and must hold ourselves to higher levels and standards than any other nation, especially those Muslim nations you all like to use for comparison so much.

5. No one says America is a land of intolerance, just that it seems the right-wing is becoming more and more radical, which is scary as that path leads to the same extreamism we denounce daily.

6. Author's name is 'Goldberg' (Jewish).... ok j/k on that one, just thought it was funny, ya know whole Isreali/Jewish issue with Palestinian/Arab/Muslim etc... ok joke has past.

3)  The existing community centre isn't... 15 stories tall.

So its not the relative proximity but the height? Just build a bigger memorial... oh wait one hasn't been built yet... after 9 years...

Yes?

I mean, it'd be like building a giant church within visibility of a burned down mosque that people who lost people in the fire had to walk by every day to get to their replacement mosque.

You have the legal right to do it, but you'd be a huge douchebag for doing it.

Although you know... not as bad, since one mosque isn't really equivlenet since way more people make the commute.

And yet the another mosque construction protest is happening hundreds of miles away in tennessee because, according to the logic presented so far, the mosque must extend into space.

I'm guessing said protest has far less support.



Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:

Article is self defeating.

1. Even after the total number decreased it was still over 4 times higher than pre2001, shown some increase in at least reported incidents.

2. Of the 3000 people murdered on 9/11, a great number of them were Muslim as well.

3. The 'controversial' Mosque is closer to an existing Mosque than Ground Zero and you can't even see it from Ground Zero.

4. This is raised in US because we are the US and must hold ourselves to higher levels and standards than any other nation, especially those Muslim nations you all like to use for comparison so much.

5. No one says America is a land of intolerance, just that it seems the right-wing is becoming more and more radical, which is scary as that path leads to the same extreamism we denounce daily.

6. Author's name is 'Goldberg' (Jewish).... ok j/k on that one, just thought it was funny, ya know whole Isreali/Jewish issue with Palestinian/Arab/Muslim etc... ok joke has past.

3)  The existing community centre isn't... 15 stories tall.

So its not the relative proximity but the height? Just build a bigger memorial... oh wait one hasn't been built yet... after 9 years...

Yes?  The real problem isn't really the height or the location.  It's the visibility.

I mean, it'd be like building a giant church within visibility of a burned down mosque that people who lost people in the fire had to walk by every day to get to their replacement mosque.

You have the legal right to do it, but you'd be a huge douchebag for doing it.

Although you know... not as bad, since one mosque isn't really equivlenet since way more people make the commute.

It's common senese...

You can't see the site from Ground Zero, even at 15 stories tall... its just stupid.



badgenome said:
superchunk said:
PizzaFaceGamer said:

@superchunk - you must have read a different article. 

Hate crimes against jew outstrip hate crimes against muslim 6-1.

So wouldn't America have Israeliphobia more than islamaphonbia?


Just because one group is larger than the other doesn't mean the acts of phobia on the smaller group are irrelavent. That is a fallacy in logic.

Jews are a larger population and have better political connections allowing more items to come up than Muslims, so its natural for it to be larger.

Additionally, it doesn't take away that post2001 attacks on Muslims are FAR higher than they were before and during times with media created frenzies like this absurd issue with the Mosque they increase again.

You're just minimalizing that which you disagree with.

There are 6.5 million Jewish Americans and, depending on who you believe, 2-3 million Muslim Americans. Jonah's point is that Jews are far more frequently targeted - and disproportionately so - but the media never really makes much of it. Certainly nothing on the scale of their recent Islamophobiaphobia.


...and there are attacks on other religions, races, etc every day that don't make the news, so what. Right now its all out in the open on Muslims due to the stupid outcry for the Mosque in NYC, as well as other places in the nation. If this were about Synagogues then Jewish attacks would be being highlighted as well and I'd come into that thread and agree that its wrong on all accounts, not discuss the attacks on blacks, gays, etc.