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darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
Antabus said:
TheWon said:
 

 So The Wii is controlling this generation as much as the PS2 was.


Ps2 marketshare: 74%

Wii marketshare: 48%

Third party support: Not even close

Can't find any figures on total software sales but I think ps2 dominated the market on that aspect with close to 70% marketshare. Wii has less than 45% share of the software sold this gen.

How is wii controlling as much as the ps2 was?

It's not.

It's also worth noting that the PS2 had more competition... With the Dreamcast, Xbox and Gamecube. Wii only has 360 and PS3 to contend with.

OT:
As I have said before... I wouldn't be surprised to see these following things happen on a regular basis next year -

NA - 360 > Wii > PS3
EMEAA - PS3 > Wii = 360
Japan - PS3 > Wii > 360

I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Wii replacement from Nintendo ready for the Holidays 2011. Wii support isn't looking all that great, and they will try to launch Super-Wii with the same kind of support the 3DS seems to be getting.

I totally agree!

But a super-wii won't get the type of support the 3DS is getting.

3rd parties can't just ignore Nintendo another gen. If Nintendo will do a thing like a PS2-like console, they will come. No doubt. 



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Carl2291 said:
Viper1 said:

2009 - 8,493,975
2010 - 8,418,074

Down just 75,901 from last year.  Yep, doomed I tell ya.

Do you guys even look at the facts at all or just spout the latest hooey being passed around like a bad cold?

Down just 75,901 from last year.

And it only took a pricecut and several AAA games being released inbetween then and now to make the difference so small.

A $50 price cut isn't much.  Especially so far from the launch date.  And several AAA games?   I see NSMB Wii, Wii Fit Plus and SMG 2.  Can you list the others for me?  2 of those being either a sequel or what amounts to an expanded version of an already released title and we all know that those are not big hardware drivers.

We have Kirby, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Wii Party, the Vitality Sensor and who knows what else coming.  Don't see how it can be called doom.  Other than the obvious factor that all consoles are doomed to die at some point in the future in the same vein we're all doomed to die at some point.



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Carl2291 said:
Viper1 said:

2009 - 8,493,975
2010 - 8,418,074

Down just 75,901 from last year.  Yep, doomed I tell ya.

Do you guys even look at the facts at all or just spout the latest hooey being passed around like a bad cold?

Down just 75,901 from last year.

And it only took a pricecut and several AAA games being released inbetween then and now to make the difference so small.

Really? The price cut was last year... Price cuts do little to move hardware, particularly Nintendo hardware. SOFTWARE drives consoles. Think.. Why do people buy consoles? For the GAMES. Notice how even after the pricecut, Wii hardware barely rose. It didn't REALLY take off again until NSMB Wii was released.

The several AAA games you are talking about, Galaxy 2, Sin and Punishment 2, Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter Tri, these may be good games, but they are simply NOT console movers. It's downright foolish to think they are. I don't know how many times I have to say this.. Going into 2010, I knew those titles wouldn't move consoles, and sure enough, they didn't. It's pretty obvious.



Stefan.De.Machtige said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
Antabus said:
TheWon said:
 

 So The Wii is controlling this generation as much as the PS2 was.


Ps2 marketshare: 74%

Wii marketshare: 48%

Third party support: Not even close

Can't find any figures on total software sales but I think ps2 dominated the market on that aspect with close to 70% marketshare. Wii has less than 45% share of the software sold this gen.

How is wii controlling as much as the ps2 was?

It's not.

It's also worth noting that the PS2 had more competition... With the Dreamcast, Xbox and Gamecube. Wii only has 360 and PS3 to contend with.

OT:
As I have said before... I wouldn't be surprised to see these following things happen on a regular basis next year -

NA - 360 > Wii > PS3
EMEAA - PS3 > Wii = 360
Japan - PS3 > Wii > 360

I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Wii replacement from Nintendo ready for the Holidays 2011. Wii support isn't looking all that great, and they will try to launch Super-Wii with the same kind of support the 3DS seems to be getting.

I totally agree!

But a super-wii won't get the type of support the 3DS is getting.

3rd parties can't just ignore Nintendo another gen. If Nintendo will do a thing like a PS2-like console, they will come. No doubt. 

No because unlike the DS' competitor PSP, the Wii's competitors are actually extremely good at selling software.

With 3DS it was extremely easy for Nintendo to get all 3rd parties on board

With Super Wii it won't be.



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Metallicube said:
Carl2291 said:
Viper1 said:

2009 - 8,493,975
2010 - 8,418,074

Down just 75,901 from last year.  Yep, doomed I tell ya.

Do you guys even look at the facts at all or just spout the latest hooey being passed around like a bad cold?

Down just 75,901 from last year.

And it only took a pricecut and several AAA games being released inbetween then and now to make the difference so small.

Really? The price cut was last year... Price cuts do little to move hardware, particularly Nintendo hardware. SOFTWARE drives consoles. Think.. Why do people buy consoles? For the GAMES. Notice how even after the pricecut, Wii hardware barely rose. It didn't REALLY take off again until NSMB Wii was released.

The several AAA games you are talking about, Galaxy 2, Sin and Punishment 2, Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter Tri, these may be good games, but they are simply NOT console movers. It's downright foolish to think they are. I don't know how many times I have to say this.. Going into 2010, I knew those titles wouldn't move consoles, and sure enough, they didn't. It's pretty obvious.

I'm gonna reply to this post out of the 3 replies because your first reply was weird and in my post and Vipers reply is too focused on doom. It's pointless even trying to debate with him right now.

Pricecuts help. It's a fact. Maybe they don't help as much on Nintendo consoles... But they DO help. Add in a bunch of games to keep demand high, and the console should be up YoY IMO...

Galaxy 2, Tales of Graces, S&P2, Red Steel 2, MH Tri, NSMB Wii, Sengoku Basara (It helped the PS3, no reason it shouldn't have helped the Wii), Dragon Quest M. I'm sure theres plenty more I'm forgetting. The point is, they don't have to move significant consoles... They just have to keep the Wii "interesting". Keep demand on a steadily high level. Not dropping close to it's lowest sales... Ever. The PS3 and 360 have done it with a few big games and a bunch of smaller games (Granted, the PS3 has had both a pricecut AND a redesign).



                            

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darthdevidem01 said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:

3rd parties can't just ignore Nintendo another gen. If Nintendo will do a thing like a PS2-like console, they will come. No doubt. 

No because unlike the DS' competitor PSP, the Wii's competitors are actually extremely good at selling software.

With 3DS it was extremely easy for Nintendo to get all 3rd parties on board

With Super Wii it won't be.

Don't you mean "exclusive third party support"?



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darthdevidem01 said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
Antabus said:
TheWon said:
 

 So The Wii is controlling this generation as much as the PS2 was.


Ps2 marketshare: 74%

Wii marketshare: 48%

Third party support: Not even close

Can't find any figures on total software sales but I think ps2 dominated the market on that aspect with close to 70% marketshare. Wii has less than 45% share of the software sold this gen.

How is wii controlling as much as the ps2 was?

It's not.

It's also worth noting that the PS2 had more competition... With the Dreamcast, Xbox and Gamecube. Wii only has 360 and PS3 to contend with.

OT:
As I have said before... I wouldn't be surprised to see these following things happen on a regular basis next year -

NA - 360 > Wii > PS3
EMEAA - PS3 > Wii = 360
Japan - PS3 > Wii > 360

I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Wii replacement from Nintendo ready for the Holidays 2011. Wii support isn't looking all that great, and they will try to launch Super-Wii with the same kind of support the 3DS seems to be getting.

I totally agree!

But a super-wii won't get the type of support the 3DS is getting.

3rd parties can't just ignore Nintendo another gen. If Nintendo will do a thing like a PS2-like console, they will come. No doubt. 

No because unlike the DS' competitor PSP, the Wii's competitors are actually extremely good at selling software.

With 3DS it was extremely easy for Nintendo to get all 3rd parties on board

With Super Wii it won't be.

Don't know about that. DS was/is a disaster at selling mature games but there are already lots of mature games coming to the 3DS.

It's getting Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil, and where were those on the DS?

If Wii 2 arrives first (which is very likely), has PS3/360 or better specs (and preferably has some kind of unique feature) I think it's very likely that it's going to get good 3rd party support. Just having better specs will almost guarantee it getting much more multiplat titles than the Wii is getting.



forest-spirit said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
Antabus said:
TheWon said:
 

 So The Wii is controlling this generation as much as the PS2 was.


Ps2 marketshare: 74%

Wii marketshare: 48%

Third party support: Not even close

Can't find any figures on total software sales but I think ps2 dominated the market on that aspect with close to 70% marketshare. Wii has less than 45% share of the software sold this gen.

How is wii controlling as much as the ps2 was?

It's not.

It's also worth noting that the PS2 had more competition... With the Dreamcast, Xbox and Gamecube. Wii only has 360 and PS3 to contend with.

OT:
As I have said before... I wouldn't be surprised to see these following things happen on a regular basis next year -

NA - 360 > Wii > PS3
EMEAA - PS3 > Wii = 360
Japan - PS3 > Wii > 360

I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw a Wii replacement from Nintendo ready for the Holidays 2011. Wii support isn't looking all that great, and they will try to launch Super-Wii with the same kind of support the 3DS seems to be getting.

I totally agree!

But a super-wii won't get the type of support the 3DS is getting.

3rd parties can't just ignore Nintendo another gen. If Nintendo will do a thing like a PS2-like console, they will come. No doubt. 

No because unlike the DS' competitor PSP, the Wii's competitors are actually extremely good at selling software.

With 3DS it was extremely easy for Nintendo to get all 3rd parties on board

With Super Wii it won't be.

Don't know about that. DS was/is a disaster at selling mature games but there are already lots of mature games coming to the 3DS.

It's getting Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil, and where were those on the DS?

If Wii 2 arrives first (which is very likely), has PS3/360 or better specs (and preferably has some kind of unique feature) I think it's very likely that it's going to get good 3rd party support. Just having better specs will almost guarantee it getting much more multiplat titles than the Wii is getting.

MGS didn't sell "that well" on the PSP either.

And RE wasn't on the PSP much either.

So here your not seeing devs "jumping ship" from PSP.

The DS has pretty much been praised by most devs for its software selling power, the problem is Wii doesn't have this same acclaim from developers, in fact you see many devs blaming it fairly or unfairly. The developers have set up a hardcore base of fans for their "big" franchises on PS360, I don't think they will risk "jumping ship". If Wii2 has specs similar to a PS4 then I'm sure it'll get ports, but otherwise I don't think the situation's gonna change much on the console side.

And now we're seeing Wii weekly sales so close to PS360, another thing the DS never went through in its days against the PSP (apart from the first year when they were neck n neck) nor any former leader in the most recent generations. So with Wii 2 the devs won't even have a complete guarantee of an utter dominance like the Wii has had in its heyday let alone the PS2.

All of that put together tells me the Wii 2 won't get the kind of rapid support 3DS is getting in terms of 3rd parties.



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Carl2291 said:
Metallicube said:
Carl2291 said:
Viper1 said:

2009 - 8,493,975
2010 - 8,418,074

Down just 75,901 from last year.  Yep, doomed I tell ya.

Do you guys even look at the facts at all or just spout the latest hooey being passed around like a bad cold?

Down just 75,901 from last year.

And it only took a pricecut and several AAA games being released inbetween then and now to make the difference so small.

Really? The price cut was last year... Price cuts do little to move hardware, particularly Nintendo hardware. SOFTWARE drives consoles. Think.. Why do people buy consoles? For the GAMES. Notice how even after the pricecut, Wii hardware barely rose. It didn't REALLY take off again until NSMB Wii was released.

The several AAA games you are talking about, Galaxy 2, Sin and Punishment 2, Red Steel 2, Monster Hunter Tri, these may be good games, but they are simply NOT console movers. It's downright foolish to think they are. I don't know how many times I have to say this.. Going into 2010, I knew those titles wouldn't move consoles, and sure enough, they didn't. It's pretty obvious.

I'm gonna reply to this post out of the 3 replies because your first reply was weird and in my post and Vipers reply is too focused on doom. It's pointless even trying to debate with him right now.

Pricecuts help. It's a fact. Maybe they don't help as much on Nintendo consoles... But they DO help. Add in a bunch of games to keep demand high, and the console should be up YoY IMO...

Galaxy 2, Tales of Graces, S&P2, Red Steel 2, MH Tri, NSMB Wii, Sengoku Basara (It helped the PS3, no reason it shouldn't have helped the Wii), Dragon Quest M. I'm sure theres plenty more I'm forgetting. The point is, they don't have to move significant consoles... They just have to keep the Wii "interesting". Keep demand on a steadily high level. Not dropping close to it's lowest sales... Ever. The PS3 and 360 have done it with a few big games and a bunch of smaller games (Granted, the PS3 has had both a pricecut AND a redesign).

Again, it is the Wii's FOURTH year, during the slowest months of the year for gaming. Did you expect Wii sales NOT to be down? 360 would be at Wii numbers or worse had it not been for the slimline released.

I'm curious, which games released for Wii thus far in 2010 should have made it go up YoY? None of the games you listed are console movers let alone would make the conosle up YoY.

If you look at the grand scheme of things, Wii is still doing just fine, in fact, it's more than fine. It is outpacing PS2 in overall sales, and still selling more software than its competitors, that are apparently such great software sellers. This despite no system sellers for Wii this year, especially in the West.

But whatever, I'll play along and just say the Wii is doomed. It's pointless to argue anyway. The numbers for the holidays will speak for themselves when they come out. 



TheSource said:

PS2 peaked at 22.5m in a year (production shipments) and fell to 16m two years after its peak (-6.5m, -29%) Wii peaked at 26m in a year (year ending March 2009) and is trending for 18m in the March 2011 year (-8m, -31%). On a unit basis its a steeper decline than any console but since Wii had a higher peak its largely in line with the PS2 trajectory by percentage. Compare that to any other console, and Wii looks amazing still. PS1 went from 21.6m in its peak year to 9.3m two years later (-57%). If Sony meets its PSP projection the peak (14.1m) to two years past peak drop (8m, -43%) is much steeper than Wii as well.


As you theorized with a $25-$35 cut I can see them reaching 18 million this fiscal year but I'm starting to think it will be a slightly tall order without one. I suspect 17 million will be more likely staying at the $200 price point.



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