Fight fight!

Oh well, I'll just say this. It is more likely that we will someday see those bald space marines than we would see little 13 year old twerps weilding a sword which outweighs them by 100lbs killing soldiers with guns.

Wow, Khuutra. I'm amazed how you've managed to keep your arguments so coherent and well-thought out. I get your point and whole-heartedly agree with you... even if other people have missed it. I was planning to post something more substantial but you pretty much said everything that needed to be said, lol.

Khuutra is entirely right. To reiterate; the assertion is that, as a norm, Japanese fiction is not bound by Western precepts of (loosely expressed) 'epistemic rationality'. That's all. No one (be it Khuutra or the Bethesda developer) ever made an attempt at a qualitative value judgement as regards the nature of 'good' Sci-Fi.

And as mentioned, there are plenty of examples to the contrary of these general trends. For example, Roald Dahl's book Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is an example of a Western work that actively makes fun of the concept of this 'epistemic rationality' (and, it goes without saying, is no lesser for it).

I must agree with Khuutra too, I get his points. I'd add that Star Trek and the Japanese aren't by any means devoid of coherence, but they focus on coherence on things different from tech and science, mainly politics and sociology instead, where coherence doesn't deny evolution of their worlds, obviously. Star Trek is all about relations amongst different civilizations, while the Japanese often transfer some aspects of their culture and society into their fictional environments and sense of honour is of the essence, although it doesn't follow the same rules we are used to in the West, we are used to associate honour to Roman, German, Celtic, etc warriors before Christ and after him to medieval knights, XVIII century aristocrats, XIX century officers and their strict code of honour and finally, in our age, esprit de corps, while the Japanese immediately link honour concept to their own society, with samurai, the old feudal society and the fact that it ended much later and in a quite forced and sudden way, so that a lot of its values were transferred anyway, although adapted and modified, but still recognizable, into their modern society.

Its true.. JRPG's... are more fantasy... with people prancing around wearing strange clothes... and everyone is GREAT looking... nobody is ugly... oh yeah and you take turns punching each other in fights LOL

JRPG fans gone wild/thread

Khuutra just slayed all the nay sayers. end thread.