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RaY_Z said:

i love the delusions on this site =)...

 

ps... get both consoles.. you get the best of both worlds =)


And the worst. 

Like that ugly Xi your sporting in your signature, or how you're paying for £14,99. I dislike it when people say this, ever thought that people would prefer to commit to one console? There are like 100 games rated over 80 by metacritic on each console, how many gamers can honestly say they have gone through even close to that many, to warrant purchasing a new console for even more games. 



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Take a look at software:

Gran Turismo 5, Little Big Planet 2, Resistance 3, Ratchet 4, Killzone 3, Final Fantasy 14, The Last Guardian, new Twisted Metal, probably another Uncharted...

 

Also, Mass Effect went multiplatform, as well as Bungee, and now Valve supports the PS3.

The XBOX is losing more and more XBOX only titles. Gears of War gonna keep it alive??



RockMan10 said:

Take a look at software:

Gran Turismo 5, Little Big Planet 2, Resistance 3, Ratchet 4, Killzone 3, Final Fantasy 14, The Last Guardian, new Twisted Metal, probably another Uncharted...

 

Also, Mass Effect went multiplatform, as well as Bungee, and now Valve supports the PS3.

The XBOX is losing more and more XBOX only titles. Gears of War gonna keep it alive??


Impressive line up to be sure, but MS has Halo Reach which dwarfs all those games, and it has Kinnect. As well as Fable 3 and a few other impressive games. no, I think MS has the upper hand right now.



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Xero said:
RaY_Z said:

i love the delusions on this site =)...

 

ps... get both consoles.. you get the best of both worlds =)


And the worst. 

Like that ugly Xi your sporting in your signature, or how you're paying for £14,99. I dislike it when people say this, ever thought that people would prefer to commit to one console? There are like 100 games rated over 80 by metacritic on each console, how many gamers can honestly say they have gone through even close to that many, to warrant purchasing a new console for even more games. 


But some people want all the best games. PS3 has some amazing exclusives that are not on the 360, and vice versa. I mean Heavy Rain was an unforgetable experience, but Lost Odyssey was the best rated Japanese RPG this generation. Actually Valkeryia Chronicles was, but Lost Odyssey has more traditional gameplay. Halo and Gears are both amazing shooter franchises, but Uncharted, Killzone and Resistance are still good. Even the Wii is amazing, I mean I know I'm only interested in less then a dozen Wii games, but I just can't live without the Metroid franchise. (I borrow a Wii from a friend from time to time, but I own Metroid Prime 3, and Smash Bros Brawl).

Some people play a lot of video games, and $300 for a console isn't crazy to someone who is no longer a teenager. Also with this generation, the great exclusives are divided.

So it's kind of silly to get two similar consoles (360/PS3), but at the same time it makes sence.



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Michael-5 said:
Xero said:
RaY_Z said:

i love the delusions on this site =)...

 

ps... get both consoles.. you get the best of both worlds =)


And the worst. 

Like that ugly Xi your sporting in your signature, or how you're paying for £14,99. I dislike it when people say this, ever thought that people would prefer to commit to one console? There are like 100 games rated over 80 by metacritic on each console, how many gamers can honestly say they have gone through even close to that many, to warrant purchasing a new console for even more games. 


But some people want all the best games. PS3 has some amazing exclusives that are not on the 360, and vice versa. I mean Heavy Rain was an unforgetable experience, but Lost Odyssey was the best rated Japanese RPG this generation. Actually Valkeryia Chronicles was, but Lost Odyssey has more traditional gameplay. Halo and Gears are both amazing shooter franchises, but Uncharted, Killzone and Resistance are still good. Even the Wii is amazing, I mean I know I'm only interested in less then a dozen Wii games, but I just can't live without the Metroid franchise. (I borrow a Wii from a friend from time to time, but I own Metroid Prime 3, and Smash Bros Brawl).

Some people play a lot of video games, and $300 for a console isn't crazy to someone who is no longer a teenager. Also with this generation, the great exclusives are divided.

So it's kind of silly to get two similar consoles (360/PS3), but at the same time it makes sence.

That was a very solid post and pretty much agree with you 100%

and to the other guy there's people who play ALOT of games.  I've played over 112 games on just my 360 this gen.



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ironman said:
unknown_soul89 said:
ironman said:
unknown_soul89 said:

Okay seriously people saying the ps3 will never outsell the 360 need to do some fact checking, the 360 has been out for a year longer, so if ps3 is on the market for the same amount of time as the 360 it will outsell it (selling about 9.5 mil on average a year with about a 3.5 mil gab) and ps3 sells about 1 million more consoles a year then the 360 does, actually lets be more specific then that 

38.1/4= 9.525 million a year

41.7/5=8.34 million a year 

9.525-8.34= 1.185 million difference a year

41.7-38.1=3.6 million

3.6/1.185=3.037 years until the ps3 outsells the 360, assuming they both stay on the market

Well of course it would if things stay exactly as they are. But lets face it, that's not gonna happen, there are too many game changers from both sides of the isle to make silly predictions like this. I really can't see any possible way the PS3 outsells the 360 until it is no longer on the market. And after that, bragging about how the PS3 outsold other consoles from it's gen will just be like saying you are the smartest kid with down syndrome. It just 'aint that great. I suggest you settle down and play a game on your PS3 instead of trying to validate your purchase of said console by insulting the intelegence of the gaming community.
 

lol you can't see a way for the ps3 to outsell the 360 till its not on the market lol, if the 360 wasn't on the market the ps3 would over take it in 3months it's only a matter of time until the ps3 outsells the 360

Ah, so you are talking lifetime sales...how very deceptive of you. I don't see any way the PS3 is going to outsell the 360 until the "720" is released and the 360 is phased out. That is, unless Sony does something simply amazing...and they have already played that card with the slim and the pricecut, they just don't have much leftthey can do, MS still has a trick or two in the bag.

 

@ Marcus jackson

http://www.investorguide.com/stock-charts.php?ticker=SNE

 

The Sony stock trend does not seem to promising, at the moment it's taking a dive. I'm sorry, but Sony's gaming division was losing money up until the slim, and even now it has yet to break even, if you were a stock holder and were counting on the gaming division, you would either be an idiot, or extremely optomistic. Trust me, GT5 will not do ANYTHING to Sony stocks, they sell too many other products for the gaming division to make a huge impact, and if Sony only had the gaming division, well, there would be no Sony, they would have lost many of  their share holders the minute they entered the market with a $600.00 console, and the rest after it was announced that Sony was losing money. I suggest you try to understand the stock market and how it works...I would hate to see you lose your retirement fund because you couldn't look past a logo on a product you love.


I haven't had internet for a couple weeks, but I've been watching this thread off my phone, and I really want to voice my input: I disagree.

Here is why, Microsoft did release the 360 a year before the PS3 was released on the market, but at that time the PS2 was still booming, and current generation gaming wasn't too big. Even in 2007 PS2 sales have been superior to PS3 and 360 sales. So when you did your little math equation, you ignored the fact that the market changes, and that sales change as interest changes. If you want to make a completly fair comparision of hardware sales, you have to compare both consoles from the time both were on the market, and readily supplied.

That begins in 2008, and to be fair 2007 sales between PS3 and 360 were 7.62 and 7.88 million respectively, so it's not like that figure would alter the results me. Let me remind you, I am comparing current generation consoles when current generation consoles were dominant. Putting 360's 2006 and both 360/PS3's 2007 sales would make this silly math unreliable because the market has changed. PS2 is no longer outselling the PS3/360 in 2008, so it effectivly makes the PS3 and 360 dominant consoles, and compeditors.

2008

360 - 11.01 million

PS3 - 9.72 million

2009

360 - 10.23 million

PS3 - 12.59 million

2010 (currently)

360 - 5.11 million

PS3 - 5.71 million

 

Now the 360 Slim recently came out which will boost 360 sales for a higher Year End Total then PS3 in 2010. It's hard to argue against it since the 360 outsells the PS3 by at least 50k a week now, and the Arcade Slim still hasn't been released in Europe/Japan, and the Kinect isn't out. GT5 for PS3 will push consoles, but not as many as Halo, Kinect, and 360 Slim will. This happened for Sony in 2009, and there is no reason it won't happen for MS in 2010.

So to be fair, I will also make a crude 2010 YTD sales estimate.

2010 estimate

360 - 12 million

PS3 - 11 million

Now I find your math silly because it's way too simplified, and by simplyfying data, future sales predictions are almost essentially useless, but for fun, here goes...

2008-2010 (current) Yearly average

360 - 10.54 million

PS3 - 11.21 million

a difference 670k a Year - So PS3 will overtake 360 in total sales in....8.06 Years, which on it's own is long after both consoles are replaced.

2008-2010 (estimate) Yearly average

360 - 11.08 million

PS3 - 11.10 million

A difference of 20k a year - So PS3 will overtake 360 in total sales in..... 270 years!

Sorry kid, PS3 isn't going to surpass 360 in total sales unless Microsoft releases a successor console first, and that cuts 360 sales a year earlier then PS3 sales.

BTW, this math is oversimplified, to make an accurate prediction of games sales, you have to track the growth/fall of both consoles, and compare then to older consoles. You have to do this because both the 360 and PS3 have peaked, and will not see as strong sales in future years. Also things like a Slim model, price cut, big game, or even just a new console colour/bundle affect sales, so comparing PS3 data to 360 data now is completly inaccurate because the PS3 had a full year to benefit from a Slim model in terms of sales and the 360 hasn't even released all it's Slim Models worldwide. Other things come into factor as well, in 2006 most people were still playing PS2, and HD console sales didn't really take off until 2008 after the PS2's popularity died out. In the future the Wii will probably start suffering salewise, and Nintendo may replace the console first thus cutting both PS3 and 360 sales. Wii's demish may also increase PS3/360 popularity and possibly increase their sales.

Anything can happen, maybe GT5 will be a flop, and just like Gran Turismo PSP, it may just sell extremely poorly. That will hurt the PS3 image, and maybe make Forza 4 sales skyrocket. Very unlikely, but my point is you can't oversimplify sales and expect future sales to follow the average set out in a consoles past. Both consoles will start to drop in sales, and most analysts believe that both consoles have passed their peak (although the 360 may see it's highest YTD this year thanks to the Slim varient).

Since the launch of the PS3, the 360 has seen stronger sales, and has increased it's initial lead from 5.4 million up to 8.1 million, and only recently for a couple weeks has Sony ever reduced that sales difference. below the initial difference. Now with the slim 360, Microsoft is likely to increase it's lead back up to 6-8 million again by the end of this year, maybe even more if Kinect takes off. I see no reason why Sony will ever get and maintain a sizable sales difference in the next few years. The gap is simply too big, and since the launch of the PS3 it has only gotten bigger.



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Also 360 has sold 42.2 million units, and PS3 has sold 36.9 million units. 42.2-36.9 = 5.3. 5.3

42.2/5 = 8.44

36.9/4 = 9.23

9.23-8.44 = 0.79

5.3/0.79 = 6.7 years.

So even by your math, 360 will still stay ontop.

You count by units sold not shipped, Why? 360 just released a new model, so stock is low, and basically selling out, where PS3 is overstocked in most stores.



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ironman said:
RockMan10 said:

Take a look at software:

Gran Turismo 5, Little Big Planet 2, Resistance 3, Ratchet 4, Killzone 3, Final Fantasy 14, The Last Guardian, new Twisted Metal, probably another Uncharted...

 

Also, Mass Effect went multiplatform, as well as Bungee, and now Valve supports the PS3.

The XBOX is losing more and more XBOX only titles. Gears of War gonna keep it alive??


Impressive line up to be sure, but MS has Halo Reach which dwarfs all those games, and it has Kinnect. As well as Fable 3 and a few other impressive games. no, I think MS has the upper hand right now.

And after Halo Reach? You can't keep doing it forever, especially with Bungie gone. Eventually people will get bored, and then what for Microsoft? Sony is only growing in its exclusives.



if sony doesnt do something drastic i see the gap getting around 10mill once again..soo noo..ps3 is lost



This thread is hilarious. So much ignorant fan*** banter and arguments/fights etc. People telling others to shut up over console sales, do you people have stocks in these companies? I mean, I understand this is a console/games sales tracking site, but to get so riled up over it is absolutely... I'll have your imaginations fill in the blank for that last word. LoL =)