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Demotruk said:
Carl2291 said:
Duh, it's the Wii. Of course it's outselling the PS3... But has it ever been this close to the PS3 on a weekly basis? Close to being outsold in EMEAA, being outsold in Japan and

I just think it's weird that despite a Pricecut and it's biggest system seller... It's down by a LOT YoY.

Is the sole reason for the Wii's YoY drop, a lack of quality software? Who's fault is this lack of quality software on the system?


"It's the Wii" is magical thinking. Do you really not understand that a games console needs regular significant games releases to maintain momentum, and why are you trying to change the subject?

"It's the Wii" works right for it... It's been outselling the PS3 since day one for a reason... Nintendo's own games. The effect isn ow wearing off (although the Wii is still way ahead). Nintendo need to do something about it if they want sales to stay as high as they are (or have been).

I understand fine and dandy that software drives the platform, but with the Wii's releases along with a Pricecut... It should be expected to be up YoY, especially after the record breaking Holidays.

And I'm not changing the subject. I asked why it was down. You said software. I'm expanding on your answer...



                            

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Carl2291 said:
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Demotruk said:
Carl2291 said:
So basically... What you are saying is... Wii has no games (compared to PS3)?


It has had barely any significant releases this year and it's STILL selling more than PS3.

Duh, it's the Wii. Of course it's outselling the PS3... But has it ever been this close to the PS3 on a weekly basis? Close to being outsold in EMEAA, being outsold in Japan and

I just think it's weird that despite a Pricecut and it's biggest system seller... It's down by a LOT YoY.

Is the sole reason for the Wii's YoY drop, a lack of quality software? Who's fault is this lack of quality software on the system?

The Wii is lower now, with a $199 price, than the same time last year at $249.

You're right in thinking it's low. Past 360 and PS3 cuts have kept it up YOY before, but for some reason Wii is already down to it's lowest ever sales.

If it doesn't get a price cut this xmas, and with no NSMB ...

I'm amazed Nintendo fans think Nintendo can bring out a game every xmas and it'll reinvigorate sales ...

Yeah that's what i don't get... It's strange that it's down.

As for the last bit, i noticed it too but didn't wanna say it. I just don't believe any game they're releasing can do even what half of NSMB Wii did... Let alone adding on the effect that the Pricecut, Wii Sports Resort AND Wii Fit Plus also had.

It's sod's law we agree on this, and then DK goes and sells 10 million wii's

But seriously, I think the NSMB and Price cut last holiday leant themselves to each other, neither would have done as good without the other.

IF Nintendo cut the price this holiday .. well, what hypocrits they would be after going on about how price cuts are bad for consumers. Too cut the price 2 holidays in a row, something MS and Sony have neither done.

After seeing Goldeneye and Epic Mickey gameplay videos, I'm sorry but they look poor to me. Not anywhere near Nintendo's first party quality. Wii party ... isn't there already Mario party on the system? as well as the other tons of party games. Kirby, america only. But looks amazing, why would Kirby sell a system though, when NSMB, SMG2, ect ect has failed too? Same for Donkey Kong ...

Unless any of the big 3 come out with something truly unique and original and unforseen, the only 2 games left this gen that will be system sellers are GT5 and Halo: Reach, and the latter only because it's gonna have it's own console and it'll be a good opportunity for buyers to upgrade.



 

Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Demotruk said:
Carl2291 said:
So basically... What you are saying is... Wii has no games (compared to PS3)?


It has had barely any significant releases this year and it's STILL selling more than PS3.

Duh, it's the Wii. Of course it's outselling the PS3... But has it ever been this close to the PS3 on a weekly basis? Close to being outsold in EMEAA, being outsold in Japan and

I just think it's weird that despite a Pricecut and it's biggest system seller... It's down by a LOT YoY.

Is the sole reason for the Wii's YoY drop, a lack of quality software? Who's fault is this lack of quality software on the system?

The Wii is lower now, with a $199 price, than the same time last year at $249.

You're right in thinking it's low. Past 360 and PS3 cuts have kept it up YOY before, but for some reason Wii is already down to it's lowest ever sales.

If it doesn't get a price cut this xmas, and with no NSMB ...

I'm amazed Nintendo fans think Nintendo can bring out a game every xmas and it'll reinvigorate sales ...

Why do you propose so many people think this? Becuase it is often true. The numbers don't lie.

DKC Returns has the potential to single handedly drive Wii sales this holiday, as NSMB Wii did (though to a lesser extent). People love 2D siderscrollers, and people REALLY love Donnkey Kong Country. There is going to be a lot of crow eating when this game ignites Wii sales.

Remember, Donnkey Kong Country sold 9 1/2 million copies, on a console with a 40 million userbase.



Ps3 : Slim Release Price Cut HuGe System Sellers Like UnCharted 2 , God of War 3 and FF XIII...

360 : Slim Release NO Price Cut HuGe System Sellers Like Mass Effect 2 , ODST and Forza 3. Helped Moving Some Xbox´s.

Wii : No Slim , No Price Cut and no system sellers already.

Keeps higher than Ps3 ... So remember me why should Nintendo be worried ?



Carl2291 said:
"It's the Wii" works right for it... It's been outselling the PS3 since day one for a reason... Nintendo's own games. The effect isn ow wearing off (although the Wii is still way ahead). Nintendo need to do something about it if they want sales to stay as high as they are (or have been).

I understand fine and dandy that software drives the platform, but with the Wii's releases along with a Pricecut... It should be expected to be up YoY, especially after the record breaking Holidays.

And I'm not changing the subject. I asked why it was down. You said software. I'm expanding on your answer...


Software does drive momentum, and NSMB did for months, but it can't be expected to forever. A console's momentum is driven by a) making it appeal to people whom it did not before (ie. new kinds of games) and b) generating and maintaining excitement for the platform (because excitement passing from person to person is the real world mechanic in the concept we call "momentum"). Wii had lots of a and b for the first few years but is now lacking in both. PS3 has managed to build momentum slowly mostly with b, and price cuts, because it is constantly getting significant new games and thus keeping users excited.

 

And seriously, you're claiming that a console should be able to maintain momentum based on a game released almost nine months ago and a small price cut almost eleven months ago, in isolation. That's ridiculous.

 

Your attempt to change the subject was to make it "who is to blame?" when we are talking about "why?".



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Carl2291 said:
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Demotruk said:
Carl2291 said:
So basically... What you are saying is... Wii has no games (compared to PS3)?


It has had barely any significant releases this year and it's STILL selling more than PS3.

Duh, it's the Wii. Of course it's outselling the PS3... But has it ever been this close to the PS3 on a weekly basis? Close to being outsold in EMEAA, being outsold in Japan and

I just think it's weird that despite a Pricecut and it's biggest system seller... It's down by a LOT YoY.

Is the sole reason for the Wii's YoY drop, a lack of quality software? Who's fault is this lack of quality software on the system?

The Wii is lower now, with a $199 price, than the same time last year at $249.

You're right in thinking it's low. Past 360 and PS3 cuts have kept it up YOY before, but for some reason Wii is already down to it's lowest ever sales.

If it doesn't get a price cut this xmas, and with no NSMB ...

I'm amazed Nintendo fans think Nintendo can bring out a game every xmas and it'll reinvigorate sales ...

Yeah that's what i don't get... It's strange that it's down.

As for the last bit, i noticed it too but didn't wanna say it. I just don't believe any game they're releasing can do even what half of NSMB Wii did... Let alone adding on the effect that the Pricecut, Wii Sports Resort AND Wii Fit Plus also had.

I don't get what aspect of this is so puzzling to you...

Do you honestly expect the effects of those games and a pricecut (which occured last YEAR) to have a lasting effect on Wii sales? Wii Sports Resort and Wii Fit plus were sequels, and thus not really hardware movers anyway.

NSMB Wii was a HUGE hardware mover as I expected, but it came out like 8 months ago. A game can only carry a console for so long.

Again, Wii being down is NORMAL. It is the summer months during a slow period of software, during the Wii's FOURTH year. What is abnormal is the HD consoles being UP (as a result of the slim models).



Demotruk said:
Carl2291 said:
"It's the Wii" works right for it... It's been outselling the PS3 since day one for a reason... Nintendo's own games. The effect isn ow wearing off (although the Wii is still way ahead). Nintendo need to do something about it if they want sales to stay as high as they are (or have been).

I understand fine and dandy that software drives the platform, but with the Wii's releases along with a Pricecut... It should be expected to be up YoY, especially after the record breaking Holidays.

And I'm not changing the subject. I asked why it was down. You said software. I'm expanding on your answer...


Software does drive momentum, and NSMB did for months, but it can't be expected to forever. A console's momentum is driven by a) making it appeal to people whom it did not before (ie. new kinds of games) and b) generating and maintaining excitement for the platform (because excitement passing from person to person is the real world mechanic in the concept we call "momentum"). Wii had lots of a and b for the first few years but is now lacking in both. PS3 has managed to build momentum slowly mostly with b, and price cuts, because it is constantly getting significant new games and thus keeping users excited.

 

And seriously, you're claiming that a console should be able to maintain momentum based on a game released almost nine months ago and a small price cut almost eleven months ago, in isolation. That's ridiculous.

 

Your attempt to change the subject was to make it "who is to blame?" when we are talking about "why?".

The Wii has held momentum from a few games over months at a time before. I point you towards Wii Fit as the perfect example.

It seems then that the main reason the Wii is down is because of a lack of compelling software. Fine. Expand upon it. Why haven't Nintendo released anything this year (other than SMG2) that will keep sales high? Why are 3rd parties ignoring the system, in comparison to the PS3 or 360 even?

It's not changing the subject... It's expanding on it...



                            

Reasonable said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Reasonable said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

It looks like XB360 is starting leveling in America. and around a quite high number.

Americas Hardware
Console Weekly (change) Total
DS 115,105 ( 11%) 48,112,812
X360 91,775 (-11%) 24,000,605
Wii 66,817 (-3%) 34,242,314
PS3 47,956 (-4%) 14,395,455
PSP 15,427 ( 5%) 19,554,395
PS2 9,407 ( 7%) 52,184,536
Total 346,487(-1%)  


You really need two weeks (at least) of nearly level sales to state something is leveling off.   So far each week 360 has dropped in US since the launch, so strictly speaking there isn't any clear levelling off at this point.  Now it it's around 90K next week then maybe, but if the 90k is including lost sales due to supply then demand might even rise... bottom line I think it's a little premature to see things as levelling off.  IMHO anyway!

Whatever, good 360 numbers.  28% drop is good given supply issues.  I'm very curious to see where by region it settles (if it does settle anytime soon given the number of casual effects on the horizon for the console.

PS3 doesn't seem to be losing much demand to the 360 at this point.  With PS3 up a bit YOY and the surge in 360 I'm wondering what the combined market for an HD console is going to look like going in December.

Wii meanwhile seems to be on a steady dip now, even though overall it's sales are decent enough.

PSP so low in US as to be mind boggling.  DS back on top.  Looks like (unless demand bumps again) it was a 2 week number 1 spike for 360 on the back of the new model.  Not bad really.


Right, but as it dropped just by 11% this week, I made a first attempt, roughly figuring in my mind something like a decreasing exponential sales curve...

Edit: I agree about PS3 and Wii, but PSP was actually up in America and Japan. Not much, still low, but it's not really dead yet, more like a steady niche.

I think I came across a bit harsh there!  I meant little early to be sure but the curve is flattening a bit I agree, there's just so much in flux at the moment it's hard to be sure.

I didn't mean to imply you shouldn't take a stab at guessing how the curve is going.

Yah, PSP up a bit in US but boy it is so low given the population and how other devices sell.  I guess US for PSP is like Japan for 360 - just really low levels compared to the others.

Don't worry, no offence taken, I too maybe should have explained better since the beginning how I made that guess.    And I agree that it's still too early for reliable predictions, too much must still happen and too little we know about how the public will react to next novelties, particularly outside of USA (where a very good reaction also to next MS moves is almost sure, but that's maybe the only certainty we really have, besides PS3 holding well even during the best XB360 weeks).

About PSP, yes, it's low, but although it doesn't compare very well with DS, as a multimedia device it's maybe the best behind Apple's iPod, so it's a "thing" that competes better than anything else against two unbeatable giants on two different markets, a honorable second place.



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great 360 sales as always and xbox 360 finally hits 24 million in NA. 



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very good 360 sales, sales will go back up after next week with the release of the 360 arcade slim model in the states and then again late august in others.



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