What do you think both of them are going to rise up and pass the Wii before the gen is over?

I'll qoute you... last sentence...

But the Wii will never be accepted by third parties... who's fault is that? It is Nintendo's fault. Who drove away all the 3rd parties in N64 by keeping the cartige and not switching to CD?.... Nintendo did... who made developers pay thousands of cartiges just so they can make a game on NES and SNES, and Im not sure even N64... Nintendo did... Nintendo pissed off a lot of 3rd parties in the past and slowly that bit them in the ....eventually.

Nintendo did go casual, you go on about first party... I'm not talk about first party... first party is aweosme... no matter if we talk about Microsoft Sony or Nintendo...and don't mention hardcore... then I have to explain a lot about that...I like Nintendo's First party lets just say that, its "hardcore"... anyways I'm talking about the games we play after were done playing first party games... and the few good 3rd party games on the Wii... theyre are good but you CAN'T tell me that the 3rd party games on Xbox 360 and PS3 are on the same level with Nintendo's... you just can't. If you do, then it is more then obvious that your straight up stuck on Nintendo like hardcore and I can't convince you at all. I have about 50 Xbox 360 games... that I saw and thought cool I'd like that tried em out and for the most part I bought em and kept em.... now if I look at the Wii's library.... I simply can't do the same... I imagine I'd pick all First Party and a handful of 3rd party games and further-more I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the 3rd party games of Nintendo then the 360/PS3's.I mean some of the worst of the worst games can be found on the Wii this gen for myself. For myself, not speaking for everyone... thats how bad thier library is to me, that Nintendo boy that used to stick to Nintendo for pretty much all my life.

Again let me get this clear to you... who made the Wii? Who gave up on 3rd party and went to make games that would appeal to casual or non-gamers.... games that for the most part... most of don't like... like Wii Fit for instance... Nintendo Nintendo Nintendo Nintendo...

They are the guys who let Conker's Bad Fur day HAPPEN, Killer Instincts... Turok... now, they don't. Get it? Nintendo changed, they didn't change thier First Party yeah I get that and I'm very glad about that but the rest... well if the rest was a person... you dont wanna know what I'd to it.

It's the truth, accept it. Nintendo changed and your okay with the change... the rest of the Nintendo fanbase.. well ex-fanbase isn't.

Metroid Other M

Samurai Warriors 3

Poke Park Wii P.A

Fling Smash

Kirby's Epic Yarn

Donkey Kong Country Returns

Wii Party

Disney Epic Mickey

Sonic Colors

Conduit 2

Golden Eye 007

...Oh No Nintendo has NOTHING left the Wii is dead for sure!

You do know that on 360 and PS3... we get games that are better then those almost around a few...no.... constantly... while the Nintendo console waits for games that good once a year..................... that's the difference. Again those games really do look good but the main point is that thw Wii's pathetic library doesn't stand a hair of a chance against the twin HD's libraries.... it's the truth.

And the Wii's controller is from hell... I don't know if anyone mentions that but it's just disgusting of a controller. A d-pad... 2 buttons.... and an analog stick you have to carry with your other hand. Somebody kill it now >_>

I'm sorry but it's how I feel about it, best way I can describe how I see it.

Your just mad that by the Holiday season the Wii will be back on top of both of the H.D twins. Sure it may never return to the machine it was before but I am certain that it will outsell them both again soon enough. We just have different opinions but the Wii is my favorite console ever made but with that said the 360 and P.S.3 are also decent consoles and as I have said many times before that I may get a 360 in the future and I already play my brothers P.S.3 sometimes. I just made the comment I did because most people are saying that the Wii is dead but I know that its not.

I'm not mad at all about that especially.

I'm more resentfull-ish and facepalm-ish about what Nintendo did to itself... there are pluses about it but they are not for me.

Question

How old are you?

Why?

I think you're lying.

You don't have to tell me... its cool.

But the point is if your very young you probably wouldn't be able to understand what I'm going about because I grew up with Nintendo. I knew it since I was 4 years old and now I'm 22... I got every Nintendo console and it's always been an all in one package and I trusted Nintendo to always be that.. offering us a variety of games... fighters, RPG's, beat em ups and well everything... even the junk that the Wii has to offer like this....

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Have I played the "game"? Nope... but I'm pretty sure it's not in my interest... and hell I imagine when I was four years old it wouldn't have been in my interest aswell... unless your a mom looking for games for your baby... it isn't in your interest. AND That's how Nintendo betrayed all of its now ex-Nintendo fans.... Nintendo got a huge make-over... imagine having trusted Nintendo your whole life and the next console comes out with half of the games not being interesting to you AT ALL, NO INTEREST... repulsive even? And on-top of that... most of the AMAZING 3rd party games, new franchises and old, are all on the other consoles... all of which Nintendo used to be cool with... granted Nintendo hasn't had the best 3rd Party support in forever it seems but Nintendo was still focused on me... now they are "MORE" (keyword) focused on babies it seems.... moms...and grandpa... in short non-gamers. Which is great but not so great for me. So yes Nintendo is doing fantastic for themeselves and successful by reaching out to non-gamers and casuals.. and if your cool and satisfied with Nintendo... good for you but for the rest of us it's been a pretty big dissappointment overall.

Hopefully you understand now.

Hmm, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption sold 1.57 million, Other M is a Contra 3D/2D shooter with none of the same appeal, hardly a recipe for massive success if you ask me.

Samurai Warriors 3 has moved around 280k in Japan in roughly six months and is generally a type of game that doesn't sell at all in EMEAA and Americas (in fact, the previous ones weren't even released there).

Poke Park has moved around 370k in half a year Pokemon crazed Japan and managed first week sales of rouhgly one fourth of that in EMEAA with third and fourth weeks being even lower in comparison (nearly one fifth and one to six and-a half respectively).

Fling Smash is a complete dud (and a quirky concept) that no one has even heard about that might manage to move a couple of hundred thousand if its lucky.

Kirby could certainly help but is largely recognized as a handheld franchise now and this is a complete wildcard with no guaranteed impact.

Donkey Kong has diminshed and sold less and less with the previous two DK games on Wii selling 590k and 520k, a lot less than the last GC game, hardly a sign of a massive system seller if you ask me.

Wii Party seems to have little to no hardware moving capabilites as it hasn't even managed to spurr the Wii over the PS3 in hw sales and it has sold only a fraction of the other Wii games and will likely end up like Wii Music; more or less forgettable and a mere shadow of Fit and Sports.

Epic Mickey is the very definition of a joker, could go both ways, there is no indication (other than forum members wishing it) that this will be huge, or even mediocre in sales. It could sell millions and it could sell poorly. A complete gamble if I ever saw one.

Sonic Colors; are you kidding me? What will this game accomplish other than drive away a whole lot of Sonic fans? The last Sonic Wii game barely managed to scrape past 500k worldwide.

Conduit 2; ah yes, the sequel to the most hyped up third party game on the Wii so far this generation. That sold 420k.

Goldeneye 007; the remake of the famous N64 game that might actually be the one thing on this list to have an impact. It sold great in NA, good in EMEAA but flopped in Japan. This could very well drive sales a bit but can hardly do the job alone.

The fact that this is the best list you can come up with should in and on itself be a clear indication of the kind of trouble Nintendo might be setting themselves up for. Yes, they will win the holidays despite meager showings (in the way of true system sellers) but there's the issue of the rest of the year after that which will truly be make or break for the Wii's lifecycle. To think, only a little over a year ago, a lot of people (respected ones even) were talking about zooming past 50% marketshare, selling 200 million units lifetime, outliving the HD consoles by years, getting all the best 3rd party support, breaking all records available to break and in general be the most sold and popular console in history. Now look where it is, after the magic color that was supposed to work wonders for some reason, two huge Mario games in six months, Wii Sports Resort, Wii party, Wii Motion Pluss, Wii Fit Pluss, a price cut and it still manages to have historical yoy drops in hardware sales in its fourth year (yes, all consoles drop but 25-30% or perhaps even more in its fourth year in crazy, especially considering that it was actually up yoy in the first couple of months this year).

Before anyone jumps down my throat and tugs at my lungs to kill me; no, the Wii is not "domed", but it will never ever do any of the marvelous things it was only a short while ago destined to do and that alone speaks volumes.