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Forums - Sales Discussion - EMEAA Up - 10th July 2010

kowenicki said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
x360s said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
x360s said:

good 360 sales despite the x360s coming out soon


they are what are going on for months?

 

they are just ok


well i have not been here for that long i just know all my friends are upgradig to the new 360 soon and not bothering with existing models...


yes but these which you are talking about aren't good,just the same


are you in permanent damage limitation mode?

WHAT DAMAGE LIMITATION?

 

oh are you offended?



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Mummelmann said:
Metallicube said:
haxxiy said:
jarrod said:
Metallicube said:
kitler53 said:

i can't believe how far the wii has fallen from grace...lovin' it!

so for the moment ps3 has about 30k on the 360.  who wants to take the over under on 360 falling to 80k in the americas this week?  i'm thinking (hoping) it will be close this week with the 360 on top.

So first place in console sale is falling from grace huh? News to me...

Don't worry, PS3 will have its time too...

I love how despite still outselling PS2 launch aligned, Wii's the one who's fallen from grace.   The disconnect and double standards are truly mind blowing...

And your argument will last only more 12 months I'm afraid.

PS2 back in 04-05 is simply too much for Wii to keep up with. It's already getting outsold by some 80k per week, and that's before the slim launch.

Problem with this logic is that you are going under the assumption that Wii won't have any more big hit games that will reinvigorate it. There are a number of games like DKC, Wii Party, Goldeneye, Wii vitality Sensor/Wii Relax, Kirby, etc that will drive momentum for Wii, especially around the holidays, which has always been a very strong selling time for Nintendo. And of course there is Zelda, in 2011, and plenty of other yet to be announced games I'm sure.


Like the massive boost that Galaxy 2 gave it? The PS2 did not fall this fast in sales and it is truly staggering the lengths some people (not talking about you) will go to to look away from current numbers, the Wii is currently seriously underperforming compared to the lofty expectations in here and besides the initial "the Wii will be a success" prediction, almost every single omptimistic Wii hardware prediction in here has gone awry. The guaranteed 50% by the end of 08 and 09 and 10', the guaranteed 45 million sold by 08, the guaranteed 70-75 million by 09, the incredible boost from price and color change that has resulted in yoy drops this year and the list goes on. Look at people such as John Lucas, his predictions were hailed as genius and amazing, yet all of them crashed and burned heavily, which resulted in him all but leaving the site in embarrassment and in sum, he is actually a lot farther away with his predictions than the one member who got the most ridicule and flack in here (I did it as well so I'm not being holier than thou); Crazzyman with his moronic predictions that everyone either shrugged off or plain laughed at. And then there are the intellectuals who make deep analysis showing how the Wii will grow and grow, making yoy gains both this year and next (not so many of those anymore though, I think even the brainy guys are starting to see it won't happen) and how it will zoom past the PS2 and the DS, despite the DS outselling it by up to 50-100% some weeks and continuously staying far above in hardware despite being quite a bit farther into the lifecycle (and the large yoy drops, the Wii even failed to make gains yoy in 2009, despite the extreme optimism). Come to think of it, the DS is the console that many want the Wii to be, but the Wii will never reach DS numbers in hardware sales, its just not gonna happen.

Its doing great but not quite as great as some people would have it.Its okay, it will still end up as the second best selling home console of all time and third best selling console overall and that coming from a predecessor that barely managed 25 million units sold and this is a staggering feat, the most impressive turnaround in console history in my honest opinion.

PS: Before anyone answers (like they always do); lol fanboy, baron butthurt, dumb oaf etc, I'm a PC gamer plain and simple. I own a PS3 but I rarely touch it despite owning a dozen or so games for it. My bias now lies with the PC and I kind of resent all consoles for stealing developers and dumbing down all games and genres into pulp.

Edit; sorry for the fire and brimstone, I'm in a nostalgic period again, playing old games and realizing just how shitty new ones are...

So basically what I got from this wall of a post is: Wii is "underperforming" simply because it failed to make some random posters on an internet message board.

I actually expected to the Wii to do somewhere around 100 million lifetime, even when it was on fire in 2008, so it at least looks like it will still pass MY expectations.

People don't seem to realize that when a console has record breaking numbers like in 2008, it's generally going to go downhill from there. That doesn't make it any less of a success. It's all relative. PS3 has massive growth in recent months, but that's partly because it didn't take much for that growth to occur, because its sales were once so low. Similarly, with Wii's massive numbers in 2008, it became nearly impossible to sustain those numbers for a long period of time.

Let's also not forget, the Wii just recieved the record for most consoles sold in a single month in the US, as recent as Dec. 2009. That doesn't exactly have the looks of a console on a major decline to me. I find it funny that people are scratching their heads for the relatively slow Wii numbers during the summer months when summer has always shown to be a slow period for consoles, particularly for Nintendo consoles.

I know a lot of the HD console fans are getting hard at the site of Wii supposedly dwindling, but they are going to be quite dissapointed when Donkey Kong Country coupled with Nintendo's usual strong holiday sales reinvigorates the Wii at the end of the year. Will it sell another 4.3 million like in December of last year? Probably not. But the strong sales are far from over. The console still has at least 2 or 3 very strong holiday seasons left in it.



Metallicube said:
tuoyo said:

Wow Wii is real low.  Used to be close to the total of the HD consoles.  Now it barely manages to stay ahead of one.  I fear for it when PS3 gets the 3D movie firmware update.

I don't.

3D is a cool feature and all, but it's way too expensive to get anywhere near mass market penetration. You aren't going to find many people willing to shellout $3000 on a TV set, not to mention wear those stupid glasses. $2000-$3000 for a TV is simply too much money, unless the thing is gonna like, make you breakfast or something.

3DTV's are already $1400,that good price 

I still can't even justify spending any more than $300 for an HDTV.

now that cheap man



XanderZane said:
aragod said:

Surprising Crackdown numbers considering not so favourable reviews. Also where are the Xbox numbers? Slim is already selling over here, yet there is zero increase.


I was wondering if the Slim got released in UK and Japan or not. From the sales numbers, it doesn't look like it did. Unless retails have them locked up in the storage room for the holidays. lol!! XBox 360 sales surged in the U.S., which was expected.

 

the 360 slim was already released in Japan and it was a failure

 

In fact, I suspect the short lived hardware boost it got was due to MH, not the 360 slim

 

360 hardware already dropped to 5k this week in Japan, and will probably drop even more next week

 

looks like the Japanese just aren't interested in the 360 slim or the 360 period



The PS2 is killing in the middle east. Good to see PS3 above 360 for at least one more week. 



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Mummelmann said:

The PS2 did not fall this fast in sales 

Actually, is that true?  I have no clue for Europe, but everywhere else seems split... Wii's fallen behind PS2 in Japan and won't recover imo (it's about a 3.5m ltd deficit launch aligned), but in the US it's still on par with or better than PS2 month to month afaik, even in the current economic climate... 

 

PlayStation 2 (2004)

 

  • Jan: 338,000
  • Feb: 363,000
  • Mar: 294,000
  • Apr: 189,000
  • May: 253,000
  • Jun: 427,000
  • 1H 2004: 1,864,000

 

 

Wii (2010)

 

  • Jan: 466,000
  • Feb: 398,000
  • Mar: 558,000
  • Apr: 277,000
  • May: 335,000
  • Jun: 423,000
  • 1H 2010: 2,457,000


Crazy good sales for Red Dead Redemption. Just look at that. It'll pass 5 million copies in just a couple of weeks or so.



jarrod said:

Actually, is that true?  I have no clue for Europe, but everywhere else seems split... Wii's fallen behind PS2 in Japan and won't recover imo (it's about a 3.5m ltd deficit launch aligned), but in the US it's still on par with or better than PS2 month to month afaik, even in the current economic climate... 

PlayStation 2 (2004)

  • Jan: 338,000
  • Feb: 363,000
  • Mar: 294,000
  • Apr: 189,000
  • May: 253,000
  • Jun: 427,000
  • 1H 2004: 1,864,000

Wii (2010)

  • Jan: 466,000
  • Feb: 398,000
  • Mar: 558,000
  • Apr: 277,000
  • May: 335,000
  • Jun: 423,000
  • 1H 2010: 2,457,000

Hm, very interesting indeed. It really is interesting to see the hardware explosion that this generation is seeing, especially compared to the PS2/Xbox/GCN gen. PS3, for a third place console, is already leagues ahead of last gen's third place console... and we're not finished yet. Just makes me sad to think of how low GCN's NPDs were.



Smeags said:
jarrod said:

Actually, is that true?  I have no clue for Europe, but everywhere else seems split... Wii's fallen behind PS2 in Japan and won't recover imo (it's about a 3.5m ltd deficit launch aligned), but in the US it's still on par with or better than PS2 month to month afaik, even in the current economic climate... 

PlayStation 2 (2004)

  • Jan: 338,000
  • Feb: 363,000
  • Mar: 294,000
  • Apr: 189,000
  • May: 253,000
  • Jun: 427,000
  • 1H 2004: 1,864,000

Wii (2010)

  • Jan: 466,000
  • Feb: 398,000
  • Mar: 558,000
  • Apr: 277,000
  • May: 335,000
  • Jun: 423,000
  • 1H 2010: 2,457,000

Hm, very interesting indeed. It really is interesting to see the hardware explosion that this generation is seeing, especially compared to the PS2/Xbox/GCN gen. PS3, for a third place console, is already leagues ahead of last gen's third place console... and we're not finished yet. Just makes me sad to think of how low GCN's NPDs were.

PS3 was actually behind GC in Japan and the US until the Slim/rebranding/push.  Not many people remember now, but GC actually did pretty decent in the US (about 14m lifetime according to NPD), it just flopped everywhere else (but France, lol).  Of course GC was pretty much done selling by this point in the cycle too, while PS3 looks like it may now just be peaking.



I didn't know the DS had that much dropped over years...